Yamaha Piano Tones

Brian473317 · Post by **Brian473317** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:46 pm

Anyone know if Yamaha tones can be imported or copied to an M50? It's no secret that M50 acoustic pianos are pretty lame. The Yamaha pianos, even on the cheap keyboards, are pretty amazing.

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:00 pm

Brian473317 wrote:Anyone know if Yamaha tones can be imported or copied to an M50?

Sorry, that is not possible.

With the M3, Kronos, or Triton you could sample sounds from another keyboard, but the M50 doesn't have that capability.

iluvchiclets · Post by **iluvchiclets** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:37 pm

Hi Brian473317,

I thought I would point you in a couple of directions...

If you visit Kim Lajoie's website, he has a collection of piano programs for sale. A few of them, but most specifically "Big Black" are voiced in a Yamaha manner. It may be worth your while checking them out.

Also, a few posts below here, specifically,

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=63851

feature some free programs offered from Korgmann. I found some of them to sound like a Yamaha keyboard.

Lastly, I found the M50 pianos to be awesome after having spent some time with Yamahas! The Korg pianos have subtle movement and width when compared to the Mox...it's almost as if the Yamaha is a bit sterile or clinical in sound in comparison.

I sincerely hope this is helpful, and I hope you come to appreciate the Korg M50 pianos in time. I can't live without them.

rajarshi_sl · Post by **rajarshi_sl** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:49 pm

hi bro...u r rite that yamaha tones r great whn it comes to pianos..even i had this idea...but not any more.

yamaha tones on electronic keybrds are way too synthetic and heavily processed.they lack the "dirtyness/impurities" of a tru piano sound.it is more like a machine made silk cloth in case of yamaha...whereas it much like a handmade cotton fabric in case of korg....but u do definitely have all rights to cast ur vote.

the point is that whoever listens once to this highly refined piano tones from yamaha ,will become yamaha synth-piano lover forever to the xtent that they will find even some acoustic gr piano unpallatable.check out the following youtube video of an acoustic piano being played

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gxY6Rcajrs
the tone is much inferior to tyros piano sample but it is genuinly an acoustic piano that is sounding here.

yiruma plays yamaha grand piano ,its timbre can be appreciated to be radically different from piano samples of high end tyros/psr s910 even by deaf people.

lastly i have some suggestions for u

1. get the m3expanded zip file from ALDAN library website....it is free of charge...select 4 way grand piano ex3 from the file....this really is an authentic piano tone as far as electronics can go..

2.i had earlier posted in this forum under the heading

"amazing piano on m50=voices and their matching ifx/mfx tfx"

pls see that and enhance ur piano on m50 by using ifx/mfx/tfx

3.pls checkout this youtube video where motif xf and m50 have been played side by side to allow honest comparison of the piano samples...i think u wont be able to pick up any major difference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiC9ozKI ... re=related

honestly i too liked yamaha piano samples...but i have found korg piano samples far natural in the end...what i didnt like and still dont is that machine could have been engineered keeping in mind the idea of smooth prog changes using physical switches that come on roland boards...but korg engineers lost their wit in this regard

hope u find my writing helpful...and pls let us know if this heped.

rajarshi_sl · Post by **rajarshi_sl** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:34 pm

one thing that i completely forgot was to let u know that there is yet another youtube video which goes to show how awesome m50 sounds when it comes to piano.In this video richard clayderman's ballade pour adeline has been played using one of the many piano tones that r there in the machine.The link is given below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW0v_QC0rpk

hope u enjoy this amazing piece of music and thecolours.

iluvchiclets · Post by **iluvchiclets** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:49 pm

Hi rajarshi_sl,

Nice to hear from you - glad you too like the M50 pianos. It almost feels as if it is topical nowadays to bash the Korg pianos, but if you actually listen to them, they are wonderful! I feel it's nice to have both Yamaha and Korg pianos to choose from, as they are so different. The Korg inspires me to play certain ways I cannot on the Yamaha and vice-versa.

I noted on your post:

. get the m3expanded zip file from ALDAN library website....it is free of charge...select 4 way grand piano ex3 from the file....this really is an authentic piano tone as far as electronics can go..

With the term EX3 in the program name, does it require the EX3 expansion (or samples) only available on the M3, or will it sound proper on an M50?

I just want to be sure I understand what is happening on this particular program.

Thanks for your expertise!

rajarshi_sl · Post by **rajarshi_sl** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:48 pm

the truth is that there r 2 kinds of pianos

No 1.the acoustic and no.2 is the electric keybd that simulates the former.
now in caSE of no.1 which is acoustic piano...this category indeed consists of large no of pianos(vintage and old) from large no. of manufacturers from europe(bluthner) ,asia(yamaha), america(steinway).they all differ from each other in terms of acoustic colours/timbres.no 2 pianos even from same maker are alike.

from this i want to say that the very idea of anykind of benchmark/ultimate piano sound (acoustic) is absolutely debatable!(regardless of whoever hell it happens to be to deny this).

now about the electric operated keyboards.Different manufacturers like korg yamaha roland nord etc strive to capture the timbre of an acoustic piano(maybe from some other company) that they have in their studio with electic devices like microphones ,mixers,audio chip based motherboards.these electric devices that capture these acoustic timbres are totally different in terms of electric voltage/ampere characteristics.

ultimately the buyers r given these samples packaged inside a box which we regard as motif/juno/m3/tyros/psr etc and the output of these are fed to some other speakers amps from some other diff companies like sony/bose/peavey/roland/sonodyne/phillips with different electrical properties or behaviour etc.in addition to all these the reverb of the room, where the soundwaves are generated, also
does modify the overall ambience

what boils down finally is a generalised disagreement centering around this piano sound amongst users using diff amp/diff room reverb characteristics etc.they all want the same piano sounding sample under different physical conditions...which is impossible...this has been regarded as REMS(resonant structure and electronic circuit modelling system) by korg and VCM(virtual circuit modelling) by yamaha....

so never ever desire for this imaginary ultimate piano sample ...better try out acoustic piano for that....the yamaha motif sample is a mimickry;it is also a mere simulation...it doesnt even come close to the acoustic models of grand pianos crafted by even yamaha.....

.

i have compared even the output of m50 from a high end sony headphone (mdr 200) with a cheap chineese 4.1 sea piano hometheatre and found drastic differences! of tonality from same machine (as exp[lained:REMS)

finally the ex3 doesnt mean in any way that 4 way grand cannot be run on m50.yes it will work on m50....however there are some 20%sounds /patches contained in the concluding banks that failed to sound on m50.but rest assured 4 way grand ex3 gonna work on m50

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:28 pm

iluvchiclets wrote:If you visit Kim Lajoie's website, he has a collection of piano programs for sale. A few of them, but most specifically "Big Black" are voiced in a Yamaha manner. It may be worth your while checking them out.

Thanks for the mention. For anyone not sure how to find them, the link is in my signature.

iluvchiclets wrote:Lastly, I found the M50 pianos to be awesome after having spent some time with Yamahas! The Korg pianos have subtle movement and width when compared to the Mox...it's almost as if the Yamaha is a bit sterile or clinical in sound in comparison.

The Korg pianos certainly have something special to them, and they're a lot more versatile than a lot of people realise!

-Kim.

rajarshi_sl · Post by **rajarshi_sl** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:53 am

i would be happy if anyone could tell how/where to get a sparkling dx piano sound like yamaha for m50.tnx

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:16 pm

rajarshi_sl wrote:pls checkout this youtube video where motif xf and m50 have been played side by side to allow honest comparison of the piano samples...i think u wont be able to pick up any major difference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiC9ozKI ... re=related

Interesting video. Do you know the what M50 piano patch creates that piano sound? I don't think it's one of the stock presets.

It's nice, but I have to say, I like the Yamaha better. It's the attack, I think. There's something about the attack on the Korg that sounds almost "plucked" by comparison, somehow harsh and artificial. Not terrible, but not as "musical" sounding as the Yamaha.

Chriskk · Post by **Chriskk** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:38 am

rajarshi_sl wrote:
pls checkout this youtube video where motif xf and m50 have been played side by side to allow honest comparison of the piano samples...i think u wont be able to pick up any major difference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiC9ozKI ... re=related

The M50 piano sounds one-dimensional and plastic, compared to the Motif piano.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:56 am

I think that many of us who had a Triton, think the M50/M3 piano sounds are great, because we had to put up with this rubbish Triton piano sound for so long.

The sound on the M3 and M50 is a vast improvement. It could be a lot better, but I'd be more than happy with it.

StudioF · Post by **StudioF** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:25 pm

M50 piano is pretty good. i heard worse

csteen · Post by **csteen** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:46 pm

Yes indeed, anyone who listens to the two of these keyboards pianos side by side will find they are so similar that it would be impossible to tell the two of them apart. I am talking about the yamaha xf and the korg m50 of course. When you consider that the xf costs much more than the korg m50 it is even more amazing. Great job on pianos from both, you really can not trash one without saying the same about the other after a close listen.

Check it out , The pianos are top notch in the korg.
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... c&start=15

rajarshi_sl · Post by **rajarshi_sl** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:28 am

i wd like to know what eardrop mr.Chriskk uses to clean the wax of his ear....i wd be glad to use that and listen to the youtube video again , to pick up the difference of piano sound of m50 from motif xf

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