UFO over Jerusalem - 3 view points synced

Post by **Sharp** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:10 pm

Worth a watch. The speed it leaves is amazing.

View point 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQw8c7XFHQw

Vuew point 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-bNOy_ ... re=related

View point 1 & 2 synced
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOf4qVMI ... re=related

View Point 1,2 and 3 synced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuuTVLS6 ... re=related

Regards
Sharp.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:26 pm

Hoax:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdd1XBX74Dk

(And the Steorn Orbo is still a hoax and fraud, too, until proven otherwise, which they haven't bothered to do since they're so busy selling their Sucker Kits).

Post by **Sharp** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:55 pm

Hoax

Just one guys opinion that proves nothing, nor does it even address the other 2 view points.

And the Steorn Orbo is still a hoax and fraud, too, until proven otherwise, which they haven't bothered to do since they're so busy selling their Sucker Kits

Yet people with degrees in engineering and no connection to Steorn go on record saying it's real, and nobody has yet been able to explain away the readings they get.

Regards
Sharp.

Post by **Sharp** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:04 pm

Now a 4th video synced with video 1 and 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu4ri2Go ... r_embedded#

4th on it's own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... RF87eEUXmM#

Regareds
Sharp.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:31 pm

Sharp wrote:
Hoax
Just one guys opinion that proves nothing, nor does it even address the other 2 view points.

And does two or three supposed video viewpoints from unknown sources of unknown credibility prove something?

But you could start by addressing all the issues brought up by the hoax revelation, that a video mask becomes obviously apparent when the image is stabilized... Even if one element of a hoax is found, that's enough to consider it all a hoax.

Is it the "multiple viewpoints" that convinces you? You think nobody would go to the trouble of doing multiple versions of something in order to be more convincing? It might help to think from a different perspective - if you were intending to create a convincing hoax, what techniques could you do that would increase the impact, overcome objections, and be done without a great deal of extra effort and expense.

And then there's the ultimate hoax technique, produce something that grabs the attention of innocent viewers, who become convinced that they've seen something extraordinary. This technique could have hundreds of viewpoints, yet still be 100% hoax.

My perspective is that the Identified Flying Objects in Egypt are far more interesting and important than the UFOs in Jerusalem.

And the Steorn Orbo is still a hoax and fraud, too, until proven otherwise, which they haven't bothered to do since they're so busy selling their Sucker Kits

Sharp wrote:Yet people with degrees in engineering and no connection to Steorn go on record saying it's real, and nobody has yet been able to explain away the readings they get.

Have you bought one of their Sucker Kits and verified it for yourself? Don't have 500 quid of faith?

It should easily produce more than that in energy savings over its life, if it works. (which it doesn't, so don't plan on any real savings).

Show me it producing more power than it receives in an unmistakeable and tangible way (which should be easy to do - yet Steorn continually fails to do, worse than any student with a basic knowledge of electronics).

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:38 am

And does two or three supposed video viewpoints from unknown sources of unknown credibility prove something?

Does the video you posted from a guy who wasn't even there disprove something ?

But you could start by addressing all the issues brought up by the hoax revelation, that a video mask becomes obviously apparent when the image is stabilized

There's nothing apparent about the explanation at all, it's quite a lame attempt actually. Which is also likely why the poster disabled comments.

Is it the "multiple viewpoints" that convinces you? You think nobody would go to the trouble of doing multiple versions of something in order to be more convincing?

Are you saying you believe it's a team of people now trying to create a hoax?

My perspective is that the Identified Flying Objects in Egypt are far more interesting and important than the UFOs in Jerusalem.

I guess you don't read the bible then. Have you considered the exact location of this event ?

It should easily produce more than that in energy savings over its life, if it works.

And if it didn't work, don't you think one single person would have come forward with evidence since the kit has been on sale a while now. Have you not considered that the people coming forward to say it's real are telling the truth?.

Science has been turn upside down countless times in past history and it has changed the world and the way we look at our own universe. It will happen again, and again, and again. Each time it does, those people who say that it's impossible will always be proven wrong.

History proves this.

Regards
Sharp.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:23 am

History also reveals hoax, after hoax, after hoax. Wanna buy a lead to gold converter?

How many perpetual motion machines have worked? How many free energy machines have worked? How many aliens have you met, personally?

If Steorn would power their own building with an Orbo, with no hookup to the powergrid or any other generation sources, that would be a very good step towards convincing the skeptics. They won't do that...because they can't. Steorn already had a whole team of people *unanimously* judge their claims to be without merit.

Teams of people do hoaxes all the time. Crop circles. Why not? It's apparently lots of fun doing hoaxes. Some people love watching other people fall for them. Hell, that's what sells the whole magic/illusion industry. One of my many past hobbies was performing illusions. I don't think it's a coincidence that many illusionists are also ardent skeptics, like James Randi and Penn & Teller.

I know the Bible well enough to know that Jerusalem is an excellent candidate for performing hoaxes. Same goes for Stonehenge, Giza, and farmer's fields in the middle of nowhere.

I also don't think leprechaun's are real and that Lucky Charms are magically delicious. Lucky Charms are just ordinarily delicious.

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:03 pm

History also reveals hoax, after hoax, after hoax. Wanna buy a lead to gold converter?

Relating to what? Your talking about two different subjects at the same time now. The UFO video's and Steorn's Orbo.

With relation to the video's, do you see anyone selling anything? No, so what your saying does not relate to anything there. With regards to Steorn, sure they are selling kits. Now name one single person who has dis-proven Orbo.

If everything it where a hoax, then answer me this. Why has nobody been able to prove it is a hoax when the kits have been available for a while now.

If Steorn would power their own building with an Orbo, with no hookup to the powergrid or any other generation sources, that would be a very good step towards convincing the skeptics. They won't do that...because they can't

You saw the same video as I did where people asked him straight out why they haven't done this, and you know the answer.

Steorn already had a whole team of people *unanimously* judge their claims to be without merit.

Your talking about a specific generation of Orbo a few years back. A lot has changed since then including 2 new generations and a lot of public demo's and conformation.

You know this.

Teams of people do hoaxes all the time. Crop circles. Why not?

That doesn’t mean that everything is a hoax.

I don't think it's a coincidence that many illusionists are also ardent skeptics, like James Randi and Penn & Teller.

No, they have their own agenda. Penn & Teller are by far the most disgusting and insulting people on the face of the planet when it comes to religion. Do a search on YouTube for their anti religion video's and you will see what I mean.

I know the Bible well enough to know that Jerusalem is an excellent candidate for performing hoaxes. Same goes for Stonehenge, Giza, and farmer's fields in the middle of nowhere.

Being a sceptic is a good thing. What your doing is just dismissing everything before anything is either proven or dis-proven. That ain’t a good thing at all.

I also don't think leprechaun's are real and that Lucky Charms are magically delicious. Lucky Charms are just ordinarily delicious

lol... Neither does any Irish man. Ever hear the children store about 3 blind mice, or Jack & Jill, or Jack and the Beanstalk. Well that's where your leprechaun's come from. That and the America's fascination when them and fairy’s.

We also don't drive cars here, we have Donkeys and carts.

Regards
Sharp.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:27 pm

Who has independently verified that excess energy is being generated by the Orbo, as defined by Watts Out - Watts In > 0? So far, all I've seen are people who fail to understand and use this fundamental equation to evaluate the Orbo. Everything I've seen focuses on whether the waveshape matches what Steorn has shown, which misses the point completely.

Here's one tester that has shown no gain, and he reports that he found a flaw in the measurement method by Steorn that produced an invalid overunity measurement, which was not observed when done independently on his own workbench.

There's lots of reasons why people might not want to report that they haven't seen excess energy created. One reason might be that they don't want to reveal that they've been scammed, appearing to be a fool.

When Steorn sells a product like this, would you want to admit that you overpaid by 1000%? Matthew 7:16 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" the Bible says of false prophets (see I do know something of biblical references). When one fruit is a $400 USB magnetometer, that's a valid way to judge their integrity.

I haven't dismissed the possiblity of Orbo producing more energy than it receives. I've just dismissed all the evidence that doesn't seem to be credible because of the utter failure to measure the important things that would demonstrate that it really works. That's completely different than dismissing it without evaluation. It has also been a complete waste of time reading the free energy forums because 99% of it is total shite, written by people who obviously have no understanding of basic electronics. I can only slug through so much garbage before I give up.

With regard to the Jerusalem videos, do you know any of the people who uploaded the videos? I don't trust anyone until I have a reasonable basis to think that they should be trustworthy. Noone needs a financial incentive to perpetrate a hoax. The mere enjoyment of watching people fall for it is satisfaction enough. Just seeing a large hit counter is enough to give some people a thrill. Why do people write Hoax emails with "PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW" even though there's no commercial message to make money? Because they are sociopaths who enjoy influencing other people, the more the better. As far as the contents of the videos, I have no reason to believe that there's anything flying, or an object, in the sky. I see pixels on an image. How those pixels got there are subject to interpretation, including digital processing. That's why it's important to know who did it, if they claim that no post processing was done, and whether or not they are credible. The flash that occurs seems remarkably similar to electrical transformers that I've personally seen explode before, with about the same intensity and duration.

So, do you think there's little green men, who are not leprechauns, who are flying over the Dome to entertain tourists with video cameras? Has the Holy Spirit abandoned the use of Doves for floating lights? Besides the links, you haven't expressed any opinion as to what you think "it" was.

The discussion about Penn & Teller is verbotten because it has moved to religion.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:34 pm

The biggest problem I have, separate to the poor movie effects editing, is the number of people (eye witnesses) who have come forward. Or rather the lack of.

Even though the time was supposedly 1am, a place like Jerusalem never sleeps. Three quarters of a million people live there. And everyone has mobile phones that can capture video these days. Surely somebody would have seen something above them, if not heard it. Many if not most eye-witnesses would be panicking. You'd expect an absolute deluge of eye witnesses (even without mobile phones) and news reports, not just a couple of anonymous video releases taken from a large distance away. Where are the up-close reports? The ones where it's hovering right above people? None.

Only video 4 looks at all vaguely realistic, I haven't analysed it in any detail other than playing it but I'm definately sure there are inconsistences in there given the others. The other three have severe, severe flaws.

Look at the light from the supposed UFO. If it were real it would be blinding, even if you were inside a building it would shine through windows akin to a search helicopter, everyone on the ground would see it, not just someone from half a mile away.

Post by **Sharp** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:27 pm

Chinese National TV reporting impending UFO/ET disclosure by Obama government.

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in- ... government

Ultimate Dj · Post by **Ultimate Dj** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:51 am

Sharp wrote:
I guess you don't read the bible then. Have you considered the exact location of this event ?

I find it interesting that you mention the bible and yet believe in UFOs.

Also, the actually vids are quiet fascinating. But it definitely seems like a hoax. I mean see when the sphere lands? And right to the left of it theres an EXACT light circle. It doesn't move. The red lights in the sky is what seems very hoaxy to me. Seems like those could be easily replicated with fireworks or hibeam lights or such.
Imma have to agree with Timo. If this odd of a thing happened ..it'd be on CNN.

DJ

ellll · Post by **ellll** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:33 am

Neat stuff, in any event !!

Thanks Sharp for putting it up!!!!!

John (ellll)

(Johnny)

xteraco · Post by **xteraco** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:49 pm

I believe!

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:32 pm

I believe in video processing.

http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/jer ... hoax-1319/