KARMA for.... MOTIF XF

orpheus2006 · Post by **orpheus2006** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:43 pm

Bachus wrote:Maybe its just me, but i start to feel sorry for Steven Kay, the one low quallity video currently available at Youtube is not what i would call the best possible start of this combination...

Where is the hype over at the Motif forums?

Yamaha should have atleast a few premade video's avialable from before NAMM or a full fledged professionally recorded Youtube of Kay's orriginal presentation at NAMM.

We'll see when either KARMA studios or Yamaha will post a high quallity video...

You are right, a bit unfortunate for Stephen. I also feel sorry for him. Fortunately KARMA sits in the Kronos and this will definetely become a success.
I think the Yammies are parallelized by the success of Kronos.

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:17 pm

Bachus wrote:Maybe its just me, but i start to feel sorry for Steven Kay, the one low quallity video currently available at Youtube is not what i would call the best possible start of this combination...

I hope it's a success. There is definitely a buzz over at the Motifator forum. Once the software ships, we'll see what happens.

OrientExpressMB · Post by **OrientExpressMB** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:45 pm

vEddY wrote:
Sina172 wrote:WHAT?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! PLEASE TELL ME THIS ISN'T FOR REAL!!!! WHAT?!
THIS IS AMAZING!!!

WHAT?!
Why couldn't it be for real?
And why the hell are you constantly CAPSing?

Because he's a retard.

Sina172 · Post by **Sina172** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:02 pm

bobbybee · Post by **bobbybee** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:15 pm

The KARMA Motif demo that Stephen did on Friday was broadcast live at the Yamaha site and had better audio quality. I don't know if it will be made available later to view. His demonstration was very clean and well organized.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:38 am

bobbybee wrote:The KARMA Motif demo that Stephen did on Friday was broadcast live at the Yamaha site and had better audio quality. I don't know if it will be made available later to view. His demonstration was very clean and well organized.

Yes, Stephen did an excellent presentation on Friday. Apparently the Yamaha folks screwed up the Webcast on Thursday but then fixed the problems for Friday. Stephen has mentioned that he's trying to get the video from Friday's presentation from Yamaha.

He showed a lot of cool features like changing the parameters for individual tracks within a session, the stutter effect, and the latch feature.

Karma 3 shows the direction that he's headed, so folks with Korg gear can probably consider it a preview of things to come. I'd like to see him extend Karma to the Tyros 4 and other pro arrangers, which is a natural fit to add more natural variation than possible with styles. I know a lot of keyboardists look down on arrangers due to bad rep of the consumer ROMpler models, but the pro arrangers are full workstations too. The Tyros line is Yamaha's flagship, not the Motif. They release their most powerful voices on the Tyros first, long before they make it to the Motif. It took years before the SuperArticulation voices made it to the Motif Expanded Articulation form on the XS and XF.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:07 am

XML, same thing with Korg, PA2X still beats M3 in many areas of Sounds
and its still a Workstation too, -KARMA.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:23 am

BasariStudios wrote:XML, same thing with Korg, PA2X still beats M3 in many areas of Sounds
and its still a Workstation too, -KARMA.

I find it a bit strange that Yamaha and Korg think that their most advanced articulated sounds belong on arrangers with higher priority than the performance oriented workstations. Their best articulations are equally useful in both categories, just like Karma is a benefit on them too.

We shouldn't have to choose based on what the manufacturer decides belongs on the arrangers or the performance keyboards. The sounds should be available on both so that the buyer can choose based on the application. Arrangers are more suited to studios and solo/dual performers, while the performance keyboards are more suited to gigging keyboardists as part of a band. Both need the best quality and realism from the sounds on the keyboard chosen for the purpose.

I think there's a lot of unnecessary confusion for buyers who are comparing the Kronos vs. the PA3X, the M3 vs. PA2X, and Tyros4 vs. Motif XF. Most of the unique features of one would be a benefit on the other, and visa versa. Yet few buyers can afford both.

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:28 pm

http://www.yamaha.com/namm/

Yamaha has put up some video's of NAMM, including 3 of Kay and Karma

NavidSyed · Post by **NavidSyed** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:53 pm

thank you for the link, one thing I noticed was how inattentive the Yamaha guys were?? if only they could understand how powerful KARMA is, literally Stephan Kay KARMA technology is brilliant and integration with Motif is awesome, and to be honest I am seriously considering Motif XF just for KARMA 3 features

unless it will be available for KRONOS as well..

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:06 pm

xmlguy wrote:I find it a bit strange that Yamaha and Korg think that their most advanced articulated sounds belong on arrangers with higher priority than the performance oriented workstations. Their best articulations are equally useful in both categories, just like Karma is a benefit on them too.

I fully agree. Seems we workstation buyers are getting the "short end of the stick."

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:20 pm

Synthoid wrote:
xmlguy wrote:I find it a bit strange that Yamaha and Korg think that their most advanced articulated sounds belong on arrangers with higher priority than the performance oriented workstations. Their best articulations are equally useful in both categories, just like Karma is a benefit on them too.
I fully agree. Seems we workstation buyers are getting the "short end of the stick."

Well Tyros 4 is more expensive then Motif XF 8....

Its 2 different parts of Yamaha making workstations and Arrangers...

They just should add Tyros 4 Motif XF8, Karma some DX, AN, VL boards and a couple of other synth engines into their new top of the line workstation and make it all work like one big creative system..
Just to give Kronos a run for its money

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:58 pm

Is the distinction meaningful any more? I mean comparisons between a workstation containing Karma and arpeggiator functions, and a workstation containing an advanced arranger?

Stephen Kay describes Karma as "an arpeggiator on steroids". In version 3 it has start, stop and fill capabilities, and it recognises and follows the chord being played by the musician.

Nearly all contemporary music for the last 10 years contains some element of arpeggiated, computer-assisted chord based rhythm backing.

So I wanna suggest that a workstation is just that. It is a complex musical instrument capable of working for the musician. It assists with multi-tracking both using real audio clips and Midi synthesis, it provides a huge library of sounds and synthesis mechanisms, it provides rhythm and backing support using whatever method is preferred by the musician.

This more inclusive definition of a musician's workstation should allow manufacturers and distributors to include best-in-class functionality, sound synthesis and production capabilities without being cast into a straightjacket if, horror of horrors, the mention of arrangement functionality is included along with the other 99% of the workstation capabilities.

And I'm the first to agree that Karma, the arpeggiator on steroids, is one of the best products using computer software to generate automated backings for the musician. Stephen Kay would not thank me if I said it was one of the best arrangers that is available. So maybe I should stop just short of saying that!

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:23 pm

BTW, I would love to see Karma running on iPad. there are available MIDI interfaces for iPad

miden · Post by **miden** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:15 pm

vEddY wrote:BTW, I would love to see Karma running on iPad. there are available MIDI interfaces for iPad

That all work too

Karma on iPad would be super!!

Dennis