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Yes, those are AJ's hands, lol, he was doing something on the XLR's.
And lets start:
Back in the begining of the 90s there was a Roland Arranger i think it was called E-40 INTELIGENT ARRANGER.
It was a small machine, i think 3 octaves or something and it was called Inteligent Arranger but it was Dumb as any
other piece of plastic. Then the Interactive Workstation term came out which was justified but not the Inteligent term.
Now, the Inteligent Arranger can be finally for the first time justified on the Audya cuz its Inteligent and sometimes
thinks like human...to justify this an example:
A conventional arranger we have a style of 8 Bars/Measuers and you hit start and it starts 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then
it finishes at 8 goes back to 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and so on...and thats all you get. Now on the Audya you dont get that.
You hit start and you start playing and the Arranger starts to get bored and starts thinking what to do right away,
and it does this: starts again 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and comes back to 1..NO!!! Goes nowhere actually the Drummer and
the Guitarist go on their own like drunk, you hear the arranger plays something that you didnt actually record in the
but comes out of nowhere...what it means is, when it goes back to 1, not that its only not going back to 1 but also
ADDS and TAKES notes, meaning, each measure next time comes on again is not the same, there is nothing that
will sound robotic like on conventional arranger even using MIDI styles, not just AUDIO styles on the AUDYA.
The arranger calculates ahead of time and then when it gets to that point it implies what calculated earlier.
Now back to start:
This particular Audya that i have in front of me is not a finished model, half of the OS is not there, half of Audio loops,
its around 50-60% of the Final Audya and yet...no arranger has impressed me this much in my life as up to date, NONE.
Hey, thats not a statement, thats only my liking and taste, no, we are way behind with any existing arranger, forget the
internet guessing and rummors, this is not an Arranger, nor competition to PA2X or T3, this is something else, new,
a begining of a new thing in music. Now, a 50-60% finished machine impressed me more then any existing machine.
God bless me when i recieve the Final Audya and to Lee, yes, it will have a nice EVENT and SAMPLING editor right
on it, on the synth, this aint SD5 or something like that. Ok, the INTELIGENT thing was one of the new things:

KEY TUNES: its a new thing and probably the thing that impressed me the most. It works like this, i'll try simple:
Lets say we have a KMP and on each Key we have a sample of Improvisation of some instruments, like loop,
you hit the key and you hear a nice guitar riff then next key some nice sax solo e tc...yes KMP would do the same thing
but it wont...KEYTUNE does it in a different way...it synchs it with the style and what happens to the sax solo is, if you
change the style the tempo of the sax solo changes, so no matter what key you hit the tempo is WITH STYLE.
In a way like Korgs Pads but not really, this is different its usfeull to me actually more for recorded Audio Solos and Impros.

MIDJAY: thats where the fun starts, as a stupid example, you take a song and you cut it in pieces and you save them as
DJ LOOPS which is MIDJAY file and then, each part at the same time is applied to Var 1 to 4 and also to Fills, Intros and else.
Right away it synchs with style, it can be thrown to a ACC track and you control each part thru variations like the style.
Ok, that might be useless, who would do that with MP3 song, i wont but...a percussion loop or drum loop even audio loop...
uuuuhhhh...gain, simillar to Korgs Pads but still different, in here, when you change Var the Pad changes too, its complex.

AUDIO STYLES: originally and Audya's agenda is to be an Audio Arranger, i mean Audio Controlled, not MIDI notes as any
conventional arranger. I have never EVER heard any better sounding Style then the Audio styles inside it, i hit my head in the
wall, it kills any existing arranger, including PA2XPRO or T3 and trust me, theres hell of a lot of Audio Styles in it.
Every Var next time you come back sounds different, every measure next time you come back is different. AJ was laughing
at me when i wanted to start sampling some of the snares and kicks off the rock styles, i went crazy, deppending on your playing
of the chords thats how the whole style behaves, every few seconds you hear some snare, bass line or something added in the
right time and position to make it sounds better and you never recorded those notes...YAYYYYYYY!!!!!! And the best is, if you
change chords too fast or in particular way, creates its own small FillIns, if you change a var in a wrong time again its own FILLIN.

SUPER SOLOS: or also called RAM INS, Ketron didnt use terminology as SA or SA2, MegaVoices or RX or DNC. Its a new thing,
there is no ASS.SW, everything is controller while playing, if you hit C then F it plays one thing and if you hit C then G is another
control, Velocity, Legato, Staccato, Aftertouch, speed between notes and many other things, those sounds are Amazing, when
i played the Trumpet from RamIns my eyes popped out. RAMINS is actually what we call the SampledSounds, they reside on the
HD, you LOAD them on a separate Bank, save them and when you start same as on the new PA, starts fast with OS.

UPDATES
: the synth has its own conventional ROM and also and HD for everything. After the release the synth will be worked
on for another 2 years, by factory, providing more styles, sounds and different OS, it is an Open Achitecture Synth, anything at
anytime is possible, if someones is willing to do it there is no limitation to this synth, OS, Sounds or Styles.

Those are the 4 things that impressedme the most, there is tonz new things we never used or heard of before but i cant write
whole book or a manual in here. The synths is also not as heavy as i expected, maybe lighter or exact PA2X pr or something.
Now, when it comes to Chord Recognition there was some fuss on SynthZone which was wrong, complete missjudgement.
Every brand has its bad side in Chord Recognition, certain chords that Korg reads Yamaha wont and the opposite, this is the way
it is and we all know that for a fact. On the Audya actually when you change a chord on Audio Styles the riff and style itself changes,
the Guitars or the Bassline sound different like a real band would do. Honestly till today i was very pessimistic and scared about the
Audya...but hey, my PA800 stays right where it is, even Hitlers army cant take it away from me, Korg took my virginity and nothing
else will take its place in my life. No matter how better something else is, i work Korg machines with closed eyes already.

Back to Audya, after all i said, its not even half, YES, there is secrets i know and there is secrets i dont know, trust me, therez more to it.
As for final release i cant say nothing, i have no clue but it is going to happen, this time. I dont know, i cant really write everything in
here, certain things i forgot to write...whatever, its not a bad intention writing this on here, i just wanted to share, this baby is coming to
my house nd it will stay there for loooooonnnnnngggg...this is a synth for the next 10 years.

For the Middle East: it has few Perc Loops which i havent heard before even on Ketrons synths and if applied to a Styles and then
everything else added to it it will sound something brand new and fresh, i loved it.


Thanks for reading this.
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Re: Ketron Audya...eh...

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What's the final price tag?
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The dimensions are too small for a 76 synth. 114 cm should have 10-15 cm more.
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Assyrianpianist wrote:What's the final price tag?
No price yet, noone can claim they bought the synth, nowhere in the world. This is the only Audya in the US for right now and its going back to Italy.
mrkorg wrote:The dimensions are too small for a 76 synth. 114 cm should have 10-15 cm more.
Yes but its different here, the place for PITCH BAND and MODULATION is taken away as you can see they are on top now and i saw the point
of this finally. On a 76 Keys your body is more stretched over the board, the PB and M on top makes life waaaayyyy easier, i was feeling funny
before i tried too. It is way easier to use it and i also like cuz its not just a JoyStick, i always hated those.
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Post by mrkorg »

Nedim,

How is the feel of the keys, is it anything like the weighted feel of the PA2X?

I have seen the price at $3575.15 USD including shipping. It will be released between January to March.

They chose to release the keyboard they have been planning for years in a time where the global economy is in it's worst state in centuries, companies are broke and people are struggling to purchase food. How many do they expect to sell 5-10 :roll:
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I forgot about the Keys, Ketron Audya carries THE EXACT SAME KEYS as on the
PA2Xpro, i forgot the Model number, i think Fatar made, AJ told me exactly but forgot.
I think they will sell a lot, the price is funny, noonw really knows but it will come
down to competitive price i think, maybe a lil over but offers a lot more then
anything right now, its price is justified, i have no problem with Ketron price
of 5000$, not cuz i wont pay for it, even if i had to pay i would, to me is worth
the money but i think it justifies itself. As for the release, might not happen
even between Jan-Feb but this time it will Happen.
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Hi Nedim,

Well, all that really gave me a stir :)

You really made the PA series look like a Yamaha PSR500 compared to Korg Pa2xpro :wink:

But I think what you described above will definately trigger a new race of arrangers from other manufacturers like Korg. The techs listed above will in some way or the other be incorporated in a new range of arrangers from others. You see, every new feature is a modified form of the other.

Nevertheless, I have my Pa800 and I love my Pa800 :)
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I really hope that this is a success for KETRON, but I have an awful feeling the arranger market is not ready as the majority will not understand the technology and the limitations that comes with producing styles this way.

People won't have the flexibility they had with an midi based system when it comes to editing. You will be expected to live in a factory pre-set world for the most part. A world that simply won't offer third party styles as you can't even get people to pay 4 euro for a midi based style now, let alone try to sell a audio based style that will be cost considerably more.

Too much machine for the arranger market and not enough musical instrument is my fear.

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Umanid is right, it not necesarilly mean that Audya exites me but the concept
itself cuz this is whats next from Korg, Roland or Yamaha.
James is right too, on top of all is at a wrong time of the economy. And as he said
people complain on 4EU styles which is very funny and forget about an AUDIO
style which might go up for 20-30Eu per style or more.
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I see it at B & H for $5599.00 and I see that is has a 64 megs sampler?
Is that right? if it is, something is wrong here?
Nedim how about a little video of how it went with the DEMO?
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Vangelis, noone knows the final price and release date yet. As for video we
recorded some yesterday and will put them up soon, on the website and you tube.
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Nedim... i have the audya right here on my studio. of course it´s a great machine with a new technology, but i think there is much to be improved on the os. my audya frozed today when i tried t load a ram ins (piano pop) with the style playing... also i´ve noticed some gliches during sample load... and i think when i change variation the change is no smooth... i also expected better sounds... try to play the first sax on the bank on the higher notes and you'll understand what i mean... as always ketron programmed magnific internal styles. the audio styles sounds amazing. the price tag on my country is on the 4000 euros. it's to much... let's see if ketron works on a more stable o.s. also i'm disapointed with the lack of a internal style composer on this o.s. it seems ketron has much work to do on this keyboard. still love my pa2... hope korg will evolute the pa series with the real audio on the acc tracks too....
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Bro, as i said, thats not even 50% of the final machine, there will be everything,
from an Evenet Editor to a Sample Editor, the Styles are not finished yet, the Audio
Loops are not finished yet, the OS is not finished yet. If you look at the Audya
there is many pages blank in the OS right? There will also be EQ per track and
also Audya will car FX processors per each track, meaninf, the tracks will be
independent from the main processor, each track can have its own FX.
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Nedim,

I know you are not defending Ketron, but i want to point out to you that this has to be the worst project in the arranger market in history in terms of management and development. The Audya was announced back many years ago and they have only managed to produce an unfinished product available for purchase?. If it has taken them an 'X' amount of years to produce 50 % of the OS, how in the world are they supposed to finish the remaining 50 % not to mention the audio loops, FX etc from now to March, or let's be generous and give them a further to 6-12 months?


All i see is so much hype and no delivery.

This is ridiculous :roll: :roll: :roll:
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mrkorg wrote:Nedim,

I know you are not defending Ketron, but i want to point out to you that this has to be the worst project in the arranger market in history in terms of management and development. The Audya was announced back many years ago and they have only managed to produce an unfinished product available for purchase?. If it has taken them an 'X' amount of years to produce 50 % of the OS, how in the world are they supposed to finish the remaining 50 % not to mention the audio loops, FX etc from now to March, or let's be generous and give them a further to 6-12 months?


All i see is so much hype and no delivery.

This is ridiculous :roll: :roll: :roll:
This would suggest to me that Ketron are probably in trouble and have no choice to but to start selling an incomplete product.

Not good :?

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