"Food for thought" on new OS-What do others think?

[miden]

You know, the PA2xPro/PA800 are such great keyboards as they are right now, it really does become scary (in a good way) just how much better Korg can make them.

Apart from the obvious bug fixes, I cannot really get my head around exactly HOW Korg are going to improve on what is essentially an awesome piece of kit.

It will be mind-blowing I think...What do others think...c'mon throw your opinion in the ring!!!

Dennis

[robkeith]

Well one only summizes, as you allrerady said the bugs should be fixed, but with both the Yammy Tyros 3, and the Ketron Audya being released around that time frame, i'm hoping that Korg are taking the bull by the horns, and those thinking about buying another board, will be making a very difficult decision indeed. I would love to see a way to be able to download real drum sequences, such as in the Audya, and apply them easily to the PA2X styles etc, so I think things like that could be a real possibility, also a daw programme to take charge of the sequencing etc, well I really dont know, but I am excited to say the least. I wish they could at least tell us now, I'm happy to wait for it to happen, and I'm certainly not going to buy another board until I have all of the information required!!! One things for sure, unless Yammy have added another bunch of keys to that Tyros3, I wont be going there, thats for sure, why have five octaves when you can have six, so the PA2x and the Ketron are in the ballpark

[AVI6520]

To have on the PA'S [PA2X\PA800], all the options and good things for easy work that other KB [workstations and arrangers] in the market has. [Like in -ROLAND\YAMAHA\KETRON].

And then for sure no one will thing of other KB…
KORG will be the winners!

[a.schemkes]

One things for sure, unless Yammy have added another bunch of keys to that Tyros3, I wont be going there, thats for sure, why have five octaves when you can have six, so the PA2x and the Ketron are in the ballpark

As you can see in the sneak previews , the tyros3 will only have 61 keys, and I bed the won't be as good as the 76 keys on the PA2xPro! So that ended the discussion for me and bought the PA2xPro

[chelsea9075]

Hi,
I suppose I am at an advantage in so far that I have my PA800 sitting just underneath my Tyros 2. If the new operating system is as good as a Korg engineer informs me, ( he saw it in Japan ) then I doubt that I will be buying a T3.
For me, if a new O/S is to make a massive difference, there has to be an improvement in sound quality. ( e.g. Tyros 2 super articulation ).
Please don't think for one minute that I am not happy with the sounds on the PA800, I am.
Can a software upgrade improve things like the sound?
The PA boards still need to be made more user friendly. Sadly this is where Yamaha have the edge on Korg.
I will be at Pakefield from September 8th to 15th where Yamaha will launch the Tyros 3 and Korg will show the new operating system a la John Pacey. Pakefield is a holiday camp owned by Pontins, taken over by 600 keyboard enthusiasts for the duration. For every person that owns a Korg keyboard here, there are fifteen that own Yamaha's. That is a fact, which is driven by the unfriendliness of the Korg operating systems.
The Yamaha bods must have smiles from ear to ear because of all the bugs in the Korg operating systems.
The new operating system must be bug-free.
For me personally, I would like Korg musicians to sit down and rewrite the sts's that go with the rythmns as I feel that they don't make use of the great sounds on the keyboard ( e.g. most of the time upper2 and upper3 are muted ). This is exactly what the Yamaha musicians have done ( twice ) Registick and registick plus. ( For a nominal fee).

If I had to go with one keyboard, it would be the Korg. The sounds are more modern to me, the rythmns and backings are more modern, and the keyboard seems more professional to me.
I look forward to the new O/S in September.
Chris

[AVI6520]

Hi,
..... For every person that owns a Korg keyboard here, there are fifteen that own Yamaha's. That is a fact, ......

Chris

HI-

"...there are fifteen that own Yamaha's"

What kind of yamaha?
The T2 or all the little psr...

If you are speaking on the same level, you can say it like "a fact"...

Here in my area a lot of beginners children buy yamaha,
I can not say because of that, that for every person that owns a korg PA, there are 100 that own yamaha, even if "it is a fact"... because we are speaking about PSR300...!

You are making people to mist understand the "fact" thet you do not speaking about the yamaha T2, or something in the same level, do you?

[chelsea9075]

Hi Avi6520,
Let me explain in greater detail. When I say one Korg owner to fifteen Yamaha, I am referring only to people who attend Pakefield. These are made up of Keyboard enthusiasts with an age group of 50 years and upwards. Many are new to keyboards and tend to be novice players ( single finger chords etc ). They tend to have less financial commitments ( mortgage paid, kids left home). The other main factor is that Yamaha tend to put on a very slick and professional presentation throughout the week, whereas Korg does not even have it 's own stand ( it displays it's keyboards through a third party ).
I am very sorry if I mislead you Avi, I am sure that Korg more than holds it 's own out there in the real world, it's just that in the enviroment of Pakefield, Yamaha calls the shots. For the last couple of years the Tyros2 was their biggest seller at Pakefield.
Chris
p.s. Yamaha consider Pakefield so important in the U.K. to their sales that this is the chosen venue for the unveiling of the new Tyros 3.

[karmathanever]

Hi friends,

For me, if a new O/S is to make a massive difference, there has to be an improvement in sound quality. ( e.g. Tyros 2 super articulation ).

I have to agree with the "super articulation" technology from Yamaha - it is quite superb and very realistic - to the extent that it is dynamic - you don't have to do conscious velocity hits to get guitar slides etc...
However Yamaha styles are barely better than Roland - some great intros and endings but little meat in the middle - Korg is definitely the leader in this regard (in fact, ever since the i3)

For every person that owns a Korg keyboard here, there are fifteen that own Yamaha's. That is a fact, which is driven by the unfriendliness of the Korg operating systems.

A ratio of 1:15 may be true but Yamaha do push their products in stores other than music stores. Also they still attract the "home arranger keyboard" market, whereas Korg are still very much in the "professional arranger" market. None of these comments are meant as a negative towards Yamaha - they have great products (I have the PSR S900 - a cut-down Tyros 2 - and it is excellent).
I have never found Korg OS to be unfriendly - I do, however know that it is wise to read, experiment and "play" the Korg PAs - they have too many features for the OS to ever be "simple".

The other main factor is that Yamaha tend to put on a very slick and professional presentation throughout the week, whereas Korg does not even have it 's own stand

Maybe you hit the nail on the head with this... I can only speak for my country, where Korg is not marketed with "roadshows" etc.. I have only been aware of one such presentation here and that was for the i30. I would love to see the Korg products demonstrated "live" - they could simply produce some good demos on youtube or downloadable video clips .... come on Korg, let us see what you've got....

OK guys, these are only my personal opinions and my comments are not intended to criticise others' views - we all have different needs.

In summary, I have 3 choices with regard to high-end arrangers:-
1. Tyros 2/3
2. Ketron Audya
3. Korg PA2XPro/PA800

Three very different technologies. I have decided to get the PA2XPro now.
I feel that Ketron will be excellent but am concerned about service/support - it also looks like it will have "too many" features - could be a "bugs" nightmare - I will wait for this one to "settle" for at least 24 months after release.
I may be wrong with regard to Tyros 3, but if i is similar to the Tyros 2, then I just couldn't justify going backwards regarding style authenticity and quality, so Korg (again) it is for me.

Take it easy

Pete

[Rob Sherratt]

Hi Chris,

To answer one of your earlier questions "can a software upgrade improve things like the sound?". The short answer is "yes", obviously you know this:-) There are a lot of things done in software that influence the overall sound, for example the recent innovations of:

• Guitar mode within styles.
  Fixed transposition rules for chord progression in styles.
  The quality of composition and musicianship in factory styles.
  Sound construction - the way that samples are are assigned to OSC's and under what circumstances.
  Sound samples - the quality and s/n ratio of factory samples.

The first OS release for the PA800 was pretty much a clone of the Pa1x. Many improvements in sounds and styles as per the above list were delivered in the interim OS release 1.5 for the Pa800. There were additional improvements to factory styles in OS1 and MR1 for the Pa2x.

What do you think will happen to the sounds and styles in the second major OS release of the Pa2x/ Pa800?

[erikfox]

Hi, i just wanna saythat i have pa2xpro and tyros2, pa2 is a great aranger but i have to say tha yamaha did a great job with SA VOICES, they sound amazing,and the rock styles are REALY ROCKING...i hope that korg will do a good job with a new OS 2.0 and the will improve everything on pa2x ..new styles better sounds and the most imprtand STABLE OPERATING SYSTEM!!!

[stalian87]

Hi Guys,

Just thought I should share my opinion on this topic.

In regards to this new OS for the pa2x. I don’t think you need a new operating system to find out that the Pa2x and even Pa1xPro are the very best keyboards on the market today. It's all about exploiting the technology inside the keyboard. It's all good sticking on a style and thinking, "yeah that sounds good but the tyros 2 or 3 or 6 sounds better. I'm not saying that the Yamaha keyboards are rubbish but what i am saying is that Korg is a looong way ahead of anyone else and i've proved it and I’ll prove it again and again and again.
Listen to some of these styles that i've created with the Pa1xpro and you'll understand what I mean. All the sounds on the styles are from the pa1xpro bar a few drum and percussion samples.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6d3b ... ea898217b1

You’ve got to realise that the Korg Pa1xPro and Pa2x are "professional arrangers".
If you're driving an F1 car for example, in order to be the best you need to understand the car you're driving and set it up to your driving style etc... With the Tyros and Ketron it's like racing a normal road car on the track. Just switch it on and go!

Hope that makes sense! Lol

Sal

[a.schemkes]

I listened to your styles, Wow good work,

[Lee]

Sal,
I'm confused... What am I really hearing here on the MP3's???

Are you saying these are a MP3 of just styles created on PA1XPRO?

They are superb!

Excuse my lack of knowledge here,,,, I just don't understand how you did this totally awsome song specific Styles that don't sound typical and don't seem to be styles to my ears.. more the MIDI tracks form a high quality MIDI song performance.

This is the stuff I love!
I would love to be able to do this or buy song specific styles like this!

Please explain to us what this is and how you did it...

Thanks,
Lee

[stalian87]

Hi Lee,

They certainly are actual styles played on the Pa1xpro, not MP3 tracks. If you have a look at my post on the pa1xpro forum you'll find a small video clip of me showing you very roughly how I did the styles.

The link of the video clip is:
http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/14983 ... 0272-1.avi

Thanks for the comments by the way. Very Appreciated.

Hope this helps you and everyone else realise that Korg truly are ahead of the game!

Cheers,
Sal

[Lee]

Sal,

Do you have any idea how many of us would buy these kinds of styles?

LOTS.

I'm just setting here in amazement... I really think I can learn the tech part of it... but I'm thinking I'm not musically good enough to create anything but a simple song specific style...

I sure want to learn how!
My only ope would e to use a MIDI file as a guide???

Lee