Polarelh:
Hmmm . . . after reading that post, I might want to urge you to play the Radias for a few more hours at your local Guitar Center or whatever before you commit to it. Or, at least buy it from a place that has a 30-day return policy.
The only two synths that I've had buyer's remorse after purchasing are my Radias and my Roland V-Synth GT. I loved my Roland Fantom-X8 the day I bought it, and every day since then. The Virus, well, I could go on and on about how much I love the sound of that thing. After getting the Virus, my Radias soon became like a lone step-child. But, now, I've come full-circle, and really started to love the Radias for what it is. It's really great at filling out my mix on the high end. Plus, its 16-keys interface is really, really cool. The V-Synth GT is actually very cool. Plus, I got it for a steal.
But, as for programming these things, I have no idea, since I haven't programmed beans with any of my VA synths yet. These are all recent purchases, and I just haven't had the time or motivation to dive in yet. I bought an analog synthesizer book (called, oddly enough, "Analog Synthesizers") so that I could read up on the theory and whatnot. But I've barely touched my user manuals' programminig sections because I've been having so much fun playing with just the presets. So, I'm the last person you should probably consult about, "ease of programming," simply because I haven't done any yet!
Didn't realize you had had other Korgs. If you tired of the microKorg that quickly, I'm not sure how long the Radias would take to wear you out. The Radias has much more capability (and more knobs), but I'm guessing the same general sonic character. I dunno. I'm the wrong person to ask about these things. Good luck!
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Well, I like the sound of the microKorg a lot.
It's just the interface that annoys me. Radias has more knobs, direct access to all essential parameters, where the microKorg is all about reading the table.
But well like you said....
I will order the Radias from Thomann, so I can return it within 30 days if I am not as much in love with it.
Maybe I will even wait for the Virus, cos this seems to be the safer thing for me, and then get the Radias in addition.
About other Korg gear:
I am having a classic Triton, 61 keys, and this I loved from day 1 and used a lot for recording songs in my pre-cubase-era.
A pity I spilled my beer over the keyboard 2 weeks ago. Pity for both, the keyboard *and* the beer.
It's just the interface that annoys me. Radias has more knobs, direct access to all essential parameters, where the microKorg is all about reading the table.
But well like you said....
I will order the Radias from Thomann, so I can return it within 30 days if I am not as much in love with it.
Maybe I will even wait for the Virus, cos this seems to be the safer thing for me, and then get the Radias in addition.
About other Korg gear:
I am having a classic Triton, 61 keys, and this I loved from day 1 and used a lot for recording songs in my pre-cubase-era.
A pity I spilled my beer over the keyboard 2 weeks ago. Pity for both, the keyboard *and* the beer.
One personal caveat about the Virus . . . as much as I love it as a sound design machine (sound design, as in sound design for film), and for its awesome leads and basses and other incredibly nuanced and complex sounds, I don't like to use any of its pads! I ONLY use my Roland Fantom-X8 or Roland V-Synth GT for pads—NEVER the Virus!
Now, that's not to say its pads don't sound excellent to some ears, but, for whatever reason, I don't like to use them. They just don't sound "right." I guess its DSP design or whatever is just too cold and metallic for making phat, warm pads. This is why I own four synths. Everything sounds pretty different, or does completely different things. Now, with proper programming skills, could I make Virus pads that I liked? I dunno. Like I said. I haven't programmed beans yet!
Funny, your posts tonight just got me to playing with all the knobs on my Radias, which is two feet from where I'm typing. FUN! Just made some weird swishy arp that sounds cool. Of course, I then laid a weird, dark, metallic, machine-drone from the Virus over it. If nothing else, the Radias is fun! But beware, it does have a somewhat limited sonic character, in my most uninformed, and inexperienced opinion, using only my limited auditioning of its preset sounds.
Now, that's not to say its pads don't sound excellent to some ears, but, for whatever reason, I don't like to use them. They just don't sound "right." I guess its DSP design or whatever is just too cold and metallic for making phat, warm pads. This is why I own four synths. Everything sounds pretty different, or does completely different things. Now, with proper programming skills, could I make Virus pads that I liked? I dunno. Like I said. I haven't programmed beans yet!
Funny, your posts tonight just got me to playing with all the knobs on my Radias, which is two feet from where I'm typing. FUN! Just made some weird swishy arp that sounds cool. Of course, I then laid a weird, dark, metallic, machine-drone from the Virus over it. If nothing else, the Radias is fun! But beware, it does have a somewhat limited sonic character, in my most uninformed, and inexperienced opinion, using only my limited auditioning of its preset sounds.
Fantom-G8 | V-Synth GT | VirusTI Polar | Radias
Hehehe
Pads, yeah, need them, love them, especially warm ones.
Thought the virus would be good for it... but well, I am still having VSTis.
But for stage? hrmm.
Yay, I need yet another synth
(and money. and/or a job.)
My family is already *now* shaking its heads about how many keyboards I have. 3 in use, 1 of them only as masterkeyboard. And no "synth" yet, only romplers. microKorg not counted in.
Pads, yeah, need them, love them, especially warm ones.
Thought the virus would be good for it... but well, I am still having VSTis.
But for stage? hrmm.
Yay, I need yet another synth
(and money. and/or a job.)My family is already *now* shaking its heads about how many keyboards I have. 3 in use, 1 of them only as masterkeyboard. And no "synth" yet, only romplers. microKorg not counted in.
HA! Which romplers? I have a Fantom-X8 with a pile of SRX boards in it. I'm thinking of getting a used Motif Rack ES someday . . . Yeah, it's weird about the Virus pads. You gotta play 'em for yourself, since I may be steering you wrong. Those were my impressions anyway. Good luck!
Fantom-G8 | V-Synth GT | VirusTI Polar | Radias
Starting point is knowing what you wantrezfactor wrote:Now, with proper programming skills, could I make Virus pads that I liked? I dunno. Like I said. I haven't programmed beans yet!
But yes - programming is the key. I dont use the TI presets much for pads. I actually think that programming good pads as presets is very hard - they really need to be made in the context of their use - preset sound design often lacks that.
The real problem on the virus I think is actually the opposite to what you describe - they take to take up *too much* space, not that they are too thin, unless you want them to be. The best pads I have made on th e virus tend to use LP+HP or BP filtering, or BP + notch etc - ie Ive had to think them down alot either with the main filters, or using the HP filter in the fx section.
I dont have to do that with the Radias as its allready thin enough. This might be why alot of people also favour early digital synth for pads - particularly many of the roland early digital synths or FM. I use a D50 and or DX7 sometimes for the job and feed them through a TC fireworx to add depth.
You can excellent pads on just about anything with the right processing - I often dont bother fully synthesising pads, and instead bleed off and/or sample sounds in the mix and create them purely with fx - heavily EQd/enhanced reverb for eg.
Khazul:
Well, I'm really quite happy with the pads I've already got in my Fantom-X8. I think the Roland pads are really terrific—fat, complex, and very layered-sounding. All I do is lay a V-Synth GT saw on top of a Fantom pad, and boy does it get PHAT! Don't know beans about the Virus hardware interface yet. Guess I'll wait until I have the Virus Control software up and running in Apple Logic someday. No desktops? You're all soft synths? I'm really trying to learn my Radias, now that I'm all hot for its sounds (at least THIS week).
Polarelh:
Well, with a Korg Triton, a Kurzwiel, and a Juno, you should have plenty of sonic contrast in your set-up. Actually, I really bought my Radias, not for its sounds, but for its sequencers and 16-key interface.
Well, I'm really quite happy with the pads I've already got in my Fantom-X8. I think the Roland pads are really terrific—fat, complex, and very layered-sounding. All I do is lay a V-Synth GT saw on top of a Fantom pad, and boy does it get PHAT! Don't know beans about the Virus hardware interface yet. Guess I'll wait until I have the Virus Control software up and running in Apple Logic someday. No desktops? You're all soft synths? I'm really trying to learn my Radias, now that I'm all hot for its sounds (at least THIS week).
Polarelh:
Well, with a Korg Triton, a Kurzwiel, and a Juno, you should have plenty of sonic contrast in your set-up. Actually, I really bought my Radias, not for its sounds, but for its sequencers and 16-key interface.
Fantom-G8 | V-Synth GT | VirusTI Polar | Radias
Yeah, well at least at the acoustic instruments side.
The Triton is also good for Pads and Mallet, but has a baaaad piano sound. While the Kurzweil has the best piano sound out there (imho), and baaaad synth sounds. And either have "real" synth sounds, so I also need a "real" Synth
)
Using the Juno-D only as Masterkeyboard btw, or when I go to Jam Sessions for a first impressions (easy to use, lightweight).
The Triton is also good for Pads and Mallet, but has a baaaad piano sound. While the Kurzweil has the best piano sound out there (imho), and baaaad synth sounds. And either have "real" synth sounds, so I also need a "real" Synth
)Using the Juno-D only as Masterkeyboard btw, or when I go to Jam Sessions for a first impressions (easy to use, lightweight).
Here I am again with the typo in my username, but I'll go on with it, lol...
What's new:
I ordered the Virus TI today! (The Polar)
After some years of searching and saving and wondering, I finally made a choice and hope this time it' the right one, after I was disappointed by the Creamware Pro12 and the Alesis micron.
Of course I will miss the Radias for some months or even years...
but I hope I won't have time to miss it
Might come back for a small first-time-report tomorrow or wednesday... otherwise I'm really infected.
What's new:
I ordered the Virus TI today! (The Polar)
After some years of searching and saving and wondering, I finally made a choice and hope this time it' the right one, after I was disappointed by the Creamware Pro12 and the Alesis micron.
Of course I will miss the Radias for some months or even years...
but I hope I won't have time to miss it
Might come back for a small first-time-report tomorrow or wednesday... otherwise I'm really infected.
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Was it the Creamware Pro12 ASB you were disapointed with???Polarelh wrote:Here I am again with the typo in my username, but I'll go on with it, lol...
What's new:
I ordered the Virus TI today! (The Polar)
After some years of searching and saving and wondering, I finally made a choice and hope this time it' the right one, after I was disappointed by the Creamware Pro12 and the Alesis micron.
Of course I will miss the Radias for some months or even years...
but I hope I won't have time to miss it
Might come back for a small first-time-report tomorrow or wednesday... otherwise I'm really infected.
I was Considering one After buying the Creamware B4000 ASB
andthe Creamware Prodyssey ASB...
What Don't you like about the Unit???
Any comments may be usefull to me...
have you tried the Minimax ASB???
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Time Can be Mastered,
"NOW" is the Password....
Currently running, Hammond M3, Yamaha CS80 + MM6, Roland JX-3P + Mkb 1000 + Vk7 + D110, Alesis Quadrasynth plus, Haken Continuum fingerboard, Korg Radias + Lambda, Ensoniq SQ80, Waldorf Blofeld, Creamware Prodyssey + B4000, Use Audio Plugiator, Arp Axxe ....and some soft synths.
"NOW" is the Password....
Currently running, Hammond M3, Yamaha CS80 + MM6, Roland JX-3P + Mkb 1000 + Vk7 + D110, Alesis Quadrasynth plus, Haken Continuum fingerboard, Korg Radias + Lambda, Ensoniq SQ80, Waldorf Blofeld, Creamware Prodyssey + B4000, Use Audio Plugiator, Arp Axxe ....and some soft synths.
Yeah,
I was quite disappointed about the Creamware Pro12 ASB.
Maybe cos I had other expectations, mostly cos I have only read good stuff about it online.
Be aware that I have no comparison to the "Original", so my ears got to know it without this aspect.
It sounded very plastic-like to my ears, quite flat and polished, but not with crystal polish but with chewing gum polish if you know what I mean.
Nevertheless you might give it a try and check it out with your own ears... I didn't
Sold it a few weeks ago.
I was quite disappointed about the Creamware Pro12 ASB.
Maybe cos I had other expectations, mostly cos I have only read good stuff about it online.
Be aware that I have no comparison to the "Original", so my ears got to know it without this aspect.
It sounded very plastic-like to my ears, quite flat and polished, but not with crystal polish but with chewing gum polish if you know what I mean.
Nevertheless you might give it a try and check it out with your own ears... I didn't
Sold it a few weeks ago.
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I used to have an Arp Axxe which was what really attracted me to the Prodyssey.... the layout of the Mono Arp Axxe and Duophonic Arp Odyssey were quite similar.....The Prodyssey has 12 voices of polyphony, so I went for it...and although it lacks the multitimbraelity,Polarelh wrote:But to be complete...
I had the same plastic impression about the Prodyssey.
So you might not have the same problem
I find the Prodyssey can make some very unique sounds and add character where other synths lie flat behind there "Unison"mode Masks...
a bunch of web clips here...some quite funny
http://asb.creamware.com/audio/prodysse ... o_Tune.MP3
http://www.trippler.net/files/mp3/Prody2.mp3
http://www.trippler.net/files/mp3/Prody1.mp3
http://www.trippler.net/files/mp3/prody3.mp3
http://www.trippler.net/files/mp3/prody3b.mp3
http://www.trippler.net/files/mp3/cornyprody.mp3
http://www.trippler.net/files/mp3/oddproddy.mp3
Time Can be Mastered,
"NOW" is the Password....
Currently running, Hammond M3, Yamaha CS80 + MM6, Roland JX-3P + Mkb 1000 + Vk7 + D110, Alesis Quadrasynth plus, Haken Continuum fingerboard, Korg Radias + Lambda, Ensoniq SQ80, Waldorf Blofeld, Creamware Prodyssey + B4000, Use Audio Plugiator, Arp Axxe ....and some soft synths.
"NOW" is the Password....
Currently running, Hammond M3, Yamaha CS80 + MM6, Roland JX-3P + Mkb 1000 + Vk7 + D110, Alesis Quadrasynth plus, Haken Continuum fingerboard, Korg Radias + Lambda, Ensoniq SQ80, Waldorf Blofeld, Creamware Prodyssey + B4000, Use Audio Plugiator, Arp Axxe ....and some soft synths.