Kronos X88 Aftertouch is much too stiff after calibration!

bugzoo · Post by **bugzoo** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:48 pm

The Kronos X88 Aftertouch is much too stiff! I did the calibration on it but no matter what I do I have to apply far too much pressure to the keys to get response. (Yes, I know you need to have Aftertouch programmed in to the patch to have effect.)

I suggest Korg allow the user to set the offset and gain and curve of the Aftertouch MANUALLY instead of the terrible procedure they now have in the OS which attempts to make setup easier. Is there some trick I am missing?

With the money paid for this synth I expect better that this.

burningbusch · Post by **burningbusch** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:02 pm

Have you tried working with the after touch curve? GLOBAL==>BASIC==>BASIC. Settings of 4 or 5 require lighter touch than default (3). Settings above 5 are special purpose, so don't use until you've read the help file that relates to their use. If you find this change to be helpful remember to WRITE GLOBAL SETTING.

Busch.

bugzoo · Post by **bugzoo** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:19 pm

Hi Bill,

Yes I have. It wasn't "the fix" unfortunately. At least none of the curves gave a good feel. I have to really press hard to get response even after I have programmed a patch to respond fully.

Same problem on my friend's Kronos 88x. We even calibrated the internal offset and gain trimmer pots inside the Kronos (pretty much every keyboard with Aftertouch has them). Immediately after doing that we were able to get a nice acceptable response - BUT - as soon as we went through the Aftertouch calibration procedure from the front panel, the response went right back to being very stiff. I think the calibration routine from the front panel needs some fixing.

I could find no way to use the front panel Aftertouch calibration procedure or finding an Aftertouch response curve that would give a comfortable response. This is why I strongly feel that either the calibration procedure needs to be tweaked or the user should be given more control of the Aftertouch offset and gain from the front panel.

Maybe I am missing something. How are others doing the Aftertouch calibration procedure on their units?

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:37 pm

I would have to say this is the thing I like least about my K88.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:37 pm

I find the 88 is building up my upper body strength, caused by a combination of having to smash the keys to get high velocity values and leaning on them with my entire body weight to get aftertouch.

shaneblyth · Post by **shaneblyth** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:31 pm

BobTheDog wrote:I find the 88 is building up my upper body strength, caused by a combination of having to smash the keys to get high velocity values and leaning on them with my entire body weight to get aftertouch.

LOL

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:10 am

You are aware that during the calibration procedure, you shouldn't go to "as hard as you can" while setting the maximum, but rather, as hard as you desire the maximum to be?

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:44 am

SanderXpander that is a good way to put it and exactly opposite of how I had been doing it before I realized my error. I often wonder how many people are not setting it that way.

gesucca · Post by **gesucca** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:20 am

SanderXpander wrote:You are aware that during the calibration procedure, you shouldn't go to "as hard as you can" while setting the maximum, but rather, as hard as you desire the maximum to be?

+1

That's the purpose of calibration.

vstkeys · Post by **vstkeys** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:11 pm

calibration???? How the hell did you get to do that ?? is it possible?

:3dread:

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:26 pm

SanderXpander wrote:You are aware that during the calibration procedure, you shouldn't go to "as hard as you can" while setting the maximum, but rather, as hard as you desire the maximum to be?

Not exactly - there are some limitations. If you don't push hard enough it won't except it. Can't really set up a super soft touch.

iKeyborg · Post by **iKeyborg** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:37 pm

bugzoo wrote:The Kronos X88 Aftertouch is much too stiff! I did the calibration on it but no matter what I do I have to apply far too much pressure to the keys to get response. (Yes, I know you need to have Aftertouch programmed in to the patch to have effect.)

I suggest Korg allow the user to set the offset and gain and curve of the Aftertouch MANUALLY instead of the terrible procedure they now have in the OS which attempts to make setup easier. Is there some trick I am missing?

With the money paid for this synth I expect better that this.

Bugzoo,

Search for afterouch in Rolandclan forum for Fantoms X and G. You can find tens of posts. Few years ago there was a tread about fixing aftertouch problem. VELCRO tape (tape without hooks) between keys and aftertouch sensor significantly increases sensitivity. I made it in Fantom X8. If works almost perfect. With more sensitive aftertouch you should more precisely control pressure on keys. Some times it causes unexpected sound change when I forget about it. I think, aftertouch supposed to be pretty stiff to prevent from unexpected sound change.

bugzoo · Post by **bugzoo** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:43 am

Can someone post where to find the Aftertouch calibration procedure in the manuals. I could not find it.

As stated by someone else in this thread, when I also go through the Procedure on the Kronos, I have to push much too hard in order for the Kronos to accept my readings.

I really think the set up procedure needs to be refined by Korg. I think the Kronos is capable of being calibrated much more sensitively if only the user could set the offset and gain manually OR if the procedure were refined to where it allows a more sensitive zero point and maximum point. A meter should be on the screen to allow accurate manual setting of these two parameters and to verify that Aftertouch is working fully. (the Yamaha VL1/7 had a great system like this.)

I prefer they simply forego the auto procedure and allow the user to simply set the zero offset and max points as parameters. This will work much better and might even avoid all of us further damaging the pressure strips in our expensive keyboards!

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:53 am

bugzoo wrote:Can someone post where to find the Aftertouch calibration procedure in the manuals. I could not find it.

Parameter Guide Page 799

bugzoo · Post by **bugzoo** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:24 am

Thanks Ed,

I found it on page 808 of the Parameter Guide. Unfortunately I've been doing the procedure correctly already.

I think the problem is mainly that the minimum pressure threshold required to get the calibration procedure to start reading is far too much.

Is anyone else able to get a nice comfortable aftertouch range happening on their Kronos X88?

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