Control Pedal Question

Codd12 · Post by **Codd12** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:20 pm

I'm wondering how others use the control pedal.

I would like to use my control pedal to do multiple things, for example:
- control volume for some programs (within a combi)
- have it only open the filter (not control volume) for others.

Is there a way to do this and what parameters shoudl I be editing?

I've tried to find the answer in the manual, but if it's there, I'm not finding or understanding it.

Thanks.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:32 pm

Unfortunately, until Korg adds a "bypass global setting" for the control pedal, you can't really do what you want. You can;
1. Set the control pedal globally to master volume or expression, which will let it act automatically as volume on ALL patches, and you can't change what it does in each patch, or
2. Set the control pedal globally to Foot Pedal CC#4, now you can assing many things to each patch but it won't do anything automatically (except for volume in CX3 patches). Unfortunately, there are very little logical places to make it affect volume, and even if you find one, you'll have to program it for each and every patch individually.

I really really hope Dan will come along and prove me wrong, but I'm pretty confident I'm not. I'd also really like this feature! "bypass global" like on the "audio" tab would be excellent. I could have it on expression 90 percent of the time and use it for filtering or adding fx for some individual patches.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:43 am

I agree with Sander.

I'm not sure the audio tab would be the most intuitive location, I would say in the Controller tab (don't have it around so I'm not sure about the actual name).

I am using a Behringer with one pedal for expression, one for ribbon control which I sometimes reprogram programs for to do something specific.

Actually also a similar problem with the pedal switches exists: not being able to use program up / program down for two different CC messages.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:02 am

Sorry, I did mean on the controller tab, I just meant LIKE it works on the audio tab.
I can imagine this would cause some confusion/annoyance if setting the pedal to "master volume" globally, so perhaps a switch to bypass expression=>volume would be best - makes more sense anyway cause then you could use the expression assignment globally and have it affect volume everywhere except when you want it to affect filter or something.

Codd12 · Post by **Codd12** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:12 pm

Thanks for the responses.

I'm wondering if I could do the following:
- use my existing control pedal for master volume
- add another (midi) pedal that would plug into the midi in to take care of other things. Does anyone sell such a thing (just one pedal -- I don't need a whole pedal board).

Thanks.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:09 am

So I take it; if I understand correctly; that I cna't have my pedal; set for expression; be a volume pedal on most of my patches and occasionally a wah wah on one or two and also a filter sweep on other patches.

That's a bummer.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:20 am

Correct. You'd have to go into global and switch to Foot Pedal CC#4 for that.

guruteo · Post by **guruteo** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:55 am

I also use the foot pedal to control expression, but in my opinion there is a big side effect of doing so.

Suppose I have just used expression to fade out a strings layer in a combi. If the sound I want to play next is a generic program, even though I am not touching the pedal anymore the Kronos still knows the pedal is all the way down and as a result I hear nothing, because the volume is 0. To avoid this I would have to edit the program to filter out expression CC, but this has to be done for each program where you don't need expression and moreover it's not easy to do in program mode.

I would really like if the foot pedal acted as sliders do: until you touch them, they don't alter the sound regardless of the position you have left them. Even better would be having the option to chose between "jump" and "catch" mode, as you have with sliders.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:45 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Correct. You'd have to go into global and switch to Foot Pedal CC#4 for that.

That's one of the things that plagues me. I know that the Kronos is capable of so many things, but this seems like a simple one. I can understand if my pedal is just set for volume gut if I have it set as an expression pedal the way i do then I should not have to go to global again to set it for the function that I want it to.
The default should always be volume but on each prog and colbi there should be a tab or some way of accessing a "pedal function" parameter so that if anybody wants to, they can easily change the pedal from the default to whatever they want. In my case a wah wah pedal but I might also like it to be a filter sweep.

Doing it on the global page just defeats the whole point of it being an "expression pedal".

The Kronos is supposed to be a "live performance" keyboard after all. As well as a work-station.

Sorry for the rant but this just bugs me a lot.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:18 am

I know, it bugs me too. Wonder if Karma could be used to transform the CC number. Would probably have to be a custom GE though.

phattbuzz · Post by **phattbuzz** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:02 am

I have the pedal assigned to CC#4. Not all sounds benefit from an expression pedal. For example: piano. While you wouldn't want the piano to be controlled by an expression pedal, you may want to be able to control the volume of strings or a pad layered underneath. Assign the pad to a stereo limiter effect and control the volume on just that while leaving the piano alone. You can also cross fade between two sounds by assigning one to a positive amount and the other to a negative amount.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:49 am

Not being at my kronos right now, does having the pedal assingend to cc#4 still give you volume as a default? That's what I want for most sounds. As for piano plus pads I just turn the pedal off in the midi section.

phattbuzz · Post by **phattbuzz** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:14 am

jeremykeys wrote:Not being at my kronos right now, does having the pedal assingend to cc#4 still give you volume as a default? That's what I want for most sounds. As for piano plus pads I just turn the pedal off in the midi section.

Simple answer - "no". You would have to have use assign the pedal to an effect to control the volume.

guruteo · Post by **guruteo** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:10 am

phattbuzz wrote:I have the pedal assigned to CC#4. Not all sounds benefit from an expression pedal. For example: piano. While you wouldn't want the piano to be controlled by an expression pedal, you may want to be able to control the volume of strings or a pad layered underneath. Assign the pad to a stereo limiter effect and control the volume on just that while leaving the piano alone. You can also cross fade between two sounds by assigning one to a positive amount and the other to a negative amount.

Hey phattbuzz, this seems a good tip, thank you. I will surely try it and see if it works for me.

phattbuzz · Post by **phattbuzz** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:14 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DruAqjGEjVs

In the above video I'm using a midi volume pedal to control the volume of the strings while having no effect on the piano.