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I would be using it for the drums and percussion. Ive been using drum racks in ableton live to do my drums, Im not sure if its just me, but it dosent seem like the most free-flowing way of making music, maybe because theres too many options? I just get lost sometimes. what should I consider? korg electribe? seems very expensive.

What sort of set up are you using?

hamboy wrote:I would be using it for the drums and percussion. Ive been using drum racks in ableton live to do my drums, Im not sure if its just me, but it dosent seem like the most free-flowing way of making music, maybe because theres too many options? I just get lost sometimes. what should I consider? korg electribe? seems very expensive.

What sort of set up are you using?

i got a microkorg xl and electribe esx1 , the tribe is great fun and a total compliment to the xl

i use a mc 303 good all rounder but some of the patches are a bit well ...youknow lol

I prefer a DR880.

Korg ER-1 or ES-1 (maybe ESX-1, but it's more expencive)

I'm considering getting an EMX-1 as a drum machine. At moment I use another synth that has some arranger features, and route both thru a mixer.

I think EMX-1 have a very small set of drumms! It's very recognizable in the mix! u can listen Enter Shikari first album and see it!

U cant use filter, and another modulation on it. Only effects! Not interesting!

Kypa wrote:I think EMX-1 have a very small set of drumms! It's very recognizable in the mix! u can listen Enter Shikari first album and see it!

U cant use filter, and another modulation on it. Only effects! Not interesting!

I downloaded the manual. There are 207 drum waves, which is about half that of the DR880. These can be modified by effects (as you have said), but the effect list does include filters of various types in addition to the more usual phasers, delays etc.

There is also a separate synth model, which supports a number of analog type waveforms and an additional filter integral to the synth module.

I think you are saying that the drum sound modelling doesn't have the explicitly modelled filter found in the synth section - however since you can chain effects, I think you could (say) LPF a drum and add delay. There is a limitation that you can only apply 3 effects of the total available to any pattern, and using a filter as an effect will use one of these.

EDIT: Looking at the posts in the Electribe forum, there's some interesting ideas to route the drum output back to an input externally and then modify it using one of the synth channels. Some undesirable A/D D/A conversions there though.

... I like the ESX too, but really need a drum machine rather than a sampler.

Alan Waddington wrote:

Kypa wrote:I think EMX-1 have a very small set of drumms! It's very recognizable in the mix! u can listen Enter Shikari first album and see it!

U cant use filter, and another modulation on it. Only effects! Not interesting!

I downloaded the manual. There are 207 drum waves, which is about half that of the DR880. These can be modified by effects (as you have said), but the effect list does include filters of various types in addition to the more usual phasers, delays etc.

There is also a separate synth model, which supports a number of analog type waveforms and an additional filter integral to the synth module.

I think you are saying that the drum sound modelling doesn't have the explicitly modelled filter found in the synth section - however since you can chain effects, I think you could (say) LPF a drum and add delay. There is a limitation that you can only apply 3 effects of the total available to any pattern, and using a filter as an effect will use one of these.

EDIT: Looking at the posts in the Electribe forum, there's some interesting ideas to route the drum output back to an input externally and then modify it using one of the synth channels. Some undesirable A/D D/A conversions there though.

... I like the ESX too, but really need a drum machine rather than a sampler.

If you're after drums, then the ESX really is what you are looking for. I don't get where you're getting the idea that a 'sampler is not a drum machine'.

if you're after good drums, I'd definitely recommend the ESX, or at a budget the ES1, over any of the other electribes.
The EMX is a 'synth machine' if anything, with only a couple of drum parts - four if I remember correctly.

The ESX has 9 drum parts, including two choke groups, plus two stretch/loop parts, and two 'melodic' parts which can do basic synth duties but will also handle some melodic samples like bass guitar surprisingly well!
It also comes with a bunch of decent drum hits in the factory preload, along with some other things (loops, vocal samples, FX). But because it is a 'sampler', you can load in any sounds you like.
I bought mine exclusively to replace an ES1, which is doing drum duties in my band. We don't really do any sampled loops although the creative opportunities are quite tempting for our future stuff.

Each part (including the drums) has its own multimode filter, which is great for adjusting and basically 'eq-ing' parts to make them sit better, particularly the BFF and BFF+ modes.
Whilst you can use fx for filtering and such, this can be a great loss if you need any other fx as three slots can be used up fast! Routing out to the external inputs is again only a workaround.

Seriously, I can't see the EMX being useful over the ESX if it's to be used for rhythm alone.

I'll be having a look at the ESX-1

I hadn't realised it comes with stock samples and imagined that the first job would be sampling drum sets.

EDIT: I've bought an ESX-1!

I use the Alesis SR18 for bass and drums/percussion. I don't use the patterns and "chaining patterns into songs" features, so I cannot comment on those. I just use it for sound module, and it sounds great since it is stereo and has effects. You set 1 midi channel for bass, another channel for drums, and a 3rd channel for percussion (if you want). Then cycle through to pick the best of the bass sounds and best of the drum kits for your song. Good combination of gear since MS2000 does the analog stuff and SR18 is GM-rompler for the bass and drums.

Alan Waddington wrote: EDIT: I've bought an ESX-1!

good choice! But, as for me, i dont like samples, i really like create a my sounds!!

I would suggest to try Korg ER-1! awesome drumm machine! very nice sound!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgQ-28Vm_-Q

Kypa wrote:good choice! But, as for me, i dont like samples, i really like create a my sounds!!

You know you could always synthesize drum pieces on another synth then sample them into a kit :3

i know

but i have to have some another device

Go with a Korg ESX. You'll be in drum sample heaven.