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RTM, RTForum, Can't find answer, Please Help an analog brained digital caveman

Background: On Oasys, recorded a 5 song suite, 12 minutes long, using all 16 MIDI and all 16 AUDIO tracks, then mixed them down into a stereo WAV file (all work is done on the Oasys, using a condenser mic for vocals).
i submitted the song to a publisher who has shown interest in it but requested that i also submit an individual (separate from the suite) copy of each of the 5 songs along with the entire (composite) suite.

Problem: There are no tracks left in my original MIDI & AUDIO sequence and i have no idea how to accomplish this as there are transitional music sections/parts that connect (bridge) each of the songs together into one suite.
i know i will have to do some re-writing, editing, and re-recording to curtail or eliminate those bridges and also add new beginnings and endings to each song, but i very much want to save the original bodies (main parts) of each song as much as possible in order to stay true to the original composite suite.

Solutions? & Questions:
After making some identical copies of the original sequence, and doing any new work on the copies so as to leave the original intact,
1. Can i copy just "x" amount of measures from the original sequence into new sequences, with accompanying Audio, and then just add new original beginning and/or ending measures to each sequence in order to create 5 independent songs?
If so, how? What are the step by steps necessary to accomplish this?
2. Can i copy just "x" amount of measures from the WAV file, and then decoct them into 5 new sequences, etc.?
3. Can i first delete songs 2, 3, 4, and 5 from a copy of the full sequence, leaving me with just song #1, and then add and/or delete measures from the beginning and ending of that song? (And then follow that procedure on the other songs of the suite)? If so, can you step by step me through the procedure?
4. Is there a way to accomplish this that i'm missing that you can think of?

i am truly grateful for any help you can provide.

FWIW, It took me many weeks to record and mix this suite, making many dumb mistakes along the way and dealing with my low vision and a number of frozen screen events that somehow fixed themselves (Oasys gods interceded?), and almost every minute of which was a challenge for my analog mind, but also at times, a Joy for my Spirit.

If some digital guru out there knows how to help, please provide step by step instructions so my challenged digital mind can follow them (assume i know very little about digital recording and you'll be understating the situation).
Thank you.
Doc

First things first. Load the original, complete song, and, before doing anything else, make a backup on external media, of the Sequencer data, or better still, do a full backup. Once the backup is complete, make sure that any audio files have also been saved. They will be in a subdirectory called something like the name of the backup followed by underscore A (_A). Keep the name of the backup short, ideally no more than 8 characters.

The OASYS doesn't have much hard drive space, so having an external backup will be a good thing.

Your method 3 is probably the best way to split the song out. With the whole suite loaded into Song S000, work out and write down the measures where each of the various sections of the "suite" song parts start and finish, including the end of the whole "suite", and use that info to set the parameters for the delete measures command. Allow for keeping extra measures, if you want to introduce a fade in or fade out to the finished individual songs.

Next go to Song S001 and, from the top right dropdown menu, do Copy from Song S000. Repeat this for Songs S002 to S005, which will become the individual songs from the suite. Check the Memory Status, to make sure there is sufficient memory. Rename each of the Songs S001 to S005, so you don't lose track of which is which. If there is insufficient memory to load the "suite" song into six different Sequencer songs, then adapt the strategy.

Now, for each Song, apart from the original "suite" Song of course, perform the necessary deletions, using the measures values obtained above. Make sure to check the "All Tracks" box, so both audio and MIDI data are deleted. Delete the "trailing" parts first, because deleting the "leading" parts will move the rest of the song back, thus changing the relevant measures values. Make any necessary embellishments, intros, outros, fill-ins, or whatever, inserting extra measures, if necessary. Dont forget to do a Sequencer data backup before turning off the OASYS!!

For each Song, mix down into a stereo WAV file.

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Thank you, voip, for expending your valuable time and energy to guide me in the right direction. i am truly grateful for your help ! ! !

Just one more question so i can get started on this project:

i have created a new empty directory in which i would like to place a copy of the original sequence of the full suite, and from which i hope to separate the suite into its component five songs as you've advised. However, try as i might, i have not figured out how to take the original suite from its current directory (which is almost full of various sequences) and copy it to this new empty directory.
What am i missing (aside from digitally oriented grey matter)?
(fwiw, the full suite takes up ~375KB of space)

Thank You (again)!

The way to copy files to another place is to go to Disk mode and select the Utility tab. Then check the Multiple items checkbox, and select the .SNG file and any associated files and directories. Then, from the top right dropdown menu, select the Copy command, and the screen will change subtly. Notice that there is now a Paste button at the bottom that is greyed out. Select the destination drive and destination directory. Once a valid location is selected, the Paste button will become active.

The figure of 375kB seems rather low for the complete package of files, especially the 16 audio tracks used in the suite. The 375kB will be the MIDI track sequencer data. If the whole suite is 12 minutes long, each audio track could be around 69MB, so over a Gigabyte for all 16 audio tracks.

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Thanks so much for your prompt reply. i’m on babysitting duty for my grandson at my son’s house for a few days so won’t be back at the O until Saturday afternoon, when i’ll try your suggestions and let you know how it works out.
You are a wealth of information and a kind soul.
Thank you

So i turned on the O, went to Disc mode, found the directory, with the song, pressed the Utility tab and the multi select button, but nothing showed up to select other then the 2.2M song directory that contains the song (plus others), and the Utility drop down box had no option to “copy” — so i must be doing something wrong.
i took photos of the O screen after each action but i’m not sure if i’m allowed to post them here???
My email is ThePianoManLtd@aol.com if that’s a better way to communicate?
i wish i could figure this out but after struggling the past two days, i gave up. So sorry to bother you
Gary

Sorry, I specified the order to do things incorrectly, in my previous post which will have caused confusion, and understandable consternation. The Multiple file select box should not be checked until the desired files are visible on the screen.

The Korg Forum doesn't allow images to be saved onto the forum servers. Instead, the way to post images on the forum, is to copy or upload them on to a hosting platform or server somewhere first, and then inserting a link to the image within the posting itself. Someone else has given a good example of how to do this earlier today. The link is here:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... p?t=131026

Some of the more popular image file hosting servers are imgur.com, and box.net, and it should also be possible to link to files stored on places like Google Drive, and OneDrive. In fact, anywhere that is accessible via the internet.

I'm not going to be around much over the next few days, so it might be better to continue the conversation here, in case someone else sees it and can help.

I suspect that the reason why the copy option is not available in the top right drop down menu (the so-called Page Menu) is that the selected object(s) are not files, but are objects within files. For example, it is possible to copy a song file called PRELOAD.SNG, but if you Open that file in Disk mode, to reveal the Songs within it, these songs can be selected, but they are not copyable because they are not themselves distinct files. Rather they are objects within the container PRELOAD.SNG. Hope that makes sense.

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