pa4x song & style mode

[dabuliukas]

Can anyone explane why in song mode style option grayed out?
need use both option same time, to play chords on midi file, fingered ( 1 -3 notes)..

[siebenhirter]

Can anyone explane why in song mode style option grayed out?
need use both option same time, to play chords on midi file, fingered ( 1 -3 notes)..

With Korgs Pa-keyboards it is not possible to use both option at same time.

[dabuliukas]

A lot off users need this option.
Hope in next update we will get this access, now is very limited..
Or we back use yamaha again.

[siebenhirter]

A lot off users need this option.
Hope in next update we will get this access, now is very limited..
Or we back use yamaha again.

With Yamahas dual player / recorder two songs (midi or audio) can be played in parallel and faded into one another with the crossfader. If you really need this option it would be understandable if you go back.

However, with Yamahas dual player two midi songs cannot be played back at the same time - for this the dual player from Korg is equipped more generously and as well as more comfortable and versatile.

For Korgs arranger I better will hope not to get an update with that option, because it would be very limited, not being able to perform and use two MIDI songs at the same time as usual for decades.

With Korgs dualplayer in parallel to a midi song it is still possible to use the style player's chord recognition. With them the four tracks of the pad section can be played synchronously with the midi song!

[ckobu]

Simultaneous playback of a MIDI file and an accompaniment is very convenient and usable. At Yamaha, this is solved so that we can always control the flow of the MIDI file and, if desired, completely change the background accompaniment of the MIDI file. (03:12).

Playing two MIDI files at the same time only makes sense for the OMB-DJ format.

https://youtu.be/SKMvv2Gz6ng

[Biggles]

Simultaneous playback of a MIDI file and an accompaniment is very convenient and usable. At Yamaha, this is solved so that we can always control the flow of the MIDI file and, if desired, completely change the background accompaniment of the MIDI file. (03:12).

Playing two MIDI files at the same time only makes sense for the OMB-DJ format.

https://youtu.be/SKMvv2Gz6ng

I guess you will be returning your 4X, putting your hand in your pocket to find another $1000 on top of the purchase price of the Korg and buying a Yamaha Genos.

Good luck moving back to the Dark Side.

[siebenhirter]

...I guess you will be returning your 4X, putting your hand in your pocket to find another $1000 on top of the purchase price of the Korg and buying a Yamaha Genos. ..

That is not the subject, nor was it asked.
As is so often the case with you - what does this stupid posting mean in response to a factual discussion?
If you can't contribute anything factually, just let it be!
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Simultaneous playback of a MIDI file and an accompaniment is very convenient and usable. At Yamaha, this is solved so that we can always control the flow of the MIDI file and, if desired, completely change the background accompaniment of the MIDI file.

Playing two MIDI files at the same time only makes sense for the OMB-DJ format.

Yamaha solved that well. If desired also with Korg a Midifile can be enriched with bass, drums, guitar etc, controlled via LH and chord recognition of styles with its synchronously pad tracks of the styles.

Although the operation via the pad buttons is not as user-friendly as the Yamaha solution - but is a matter of taste if four tracks of a style seems to be enough to enrich the flow of an SMF.

A synchronous running style player only seems to be needed if it is intend to change a complete background accompaniment running synchronously with styles.

Simultaneous playback of two variations of SMFs also is very convenient and usable - it only is a question of how one intends to use an SMF.

If you don't want to make variable the entire background accompaniment of an SMF by a style, but intend to make the melody and the sequence of the songs variable, you are better off with a dual player, where you can play the same song with different variations on a synchronous player with a slider to fade in / out / crossover with as required.

The Korg Dual-Player not only allows the simultaneous synchron playback of two SMFs, but optionally also different beats/measure and different times to start. This makes it possible to fade from one song to another at any time. Next song is easy to load into one player while the other player still is running with a song, thus allowing songs to be chained together without interruption.

A dual player that would combine the advantages of both keyboards would make sense - not only for OMB-DJ but for each user!

[Biggles]

...I guess you will be returning your 4X, putting your hand in your pocket to find another $1000 on top of the purchase price of the Korg and buying a Yamaha Genos. ..

That is not the subject, nor was it asked.
!

Nor are your perceived limitations of the Korg OS yet at every chance you write about them and continually take the thread topic onto your own agenda.

[ckobu]

Hallo siebenhirter,
I agree with you. Everyone will take advantage of those features that the keyboard has. Unlike the Korg, Yamaha’s concept allows for a seamless transition from MIDI to Style and vice versa. Midi can finish, we can manually stop him and continue playing Style without interruption. Also, while playing with STyle, we can play a new MIDI at any time. This feature is especially loved by musicians who perform for a dance audience, live.
I think this is exactly what the author of the topic meant when he asked the question.

regards, ckobu

[siebenhirter]

.. agree with you...

Thank you - I also agree with you.
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There are limitations perceived with the dual player of both competing brands - this also applies to their operating systems.
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Forums suitable for this offer the possibility of exchanging information through factual discussions so that weak points and inadequacies of system are recognized, maybe deliminated and not repeated.

That should be one of the most important agendas of the forum, also this sometimes offends unworldly enthusiasts, who cannot distinguish between dream and reality and cannot omit their provocations. But should not matter here, even if it seems unbearable to talk about system weaknesses of ones favorite instrument.

As here we are in a Korg Forum the limitation is to perceive, that with its arrangers dualplayer styles can not be played synchronized with an SMF. It is believable that such a feature - as existing with Yamahas arranger - is loved by musicians.

If I would post in a Yamaha forum my perceived limitations of its arranger dualplayer would be, that it is not possible to use two SMFs as it can be done with Korgs dualplayer (also this feature is loved by musicians).
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OP meant -->

A lot off users need this option. Hope in next update we will get this access, now is very limited....

As in my previous posting --> a dual player that would combine the advantages of both keyboards would make sense (in Korg, in Yamaha).

[Korghelper]

Don’t forget, if your primary need for both style and SMF at the same time is to have the sequencer play chords into the style, that can now be done with the chord sequencer feature.

I know it’s not a complete solution, but it does cover one of the primary needs…

[dabuliukas]

thanks for answers.

have one more question.

have converted midi to style file, possible use on style mode Scrolling Lyrics ?
or just only txt ?
if not, any compatible software can use midi Scrolling Lyrics while use style mode ?

many thanks for any help !!

[siebenhirter]

possible use on style mode Scrolling Lyrics ? or just only txt ? ...

In Style Play mode a txt.file can be loaded on-the-fly:
- an empty Lyrics page with a message will appear when the LYRICS display is pressed
- keep the SHIFT button pressed and touch the center of the display
- the file selector will appear and will let you choose a TXT file to be loaded
- scrolling is not automatically while playing the style, but scrolling the text can be done
-- with the VALUE control or the vertical scrollbar or
-- with a footswitch or a switch assigned to "TextPageNext".

[Korghelper]

I would think that, by the time you are doing a song so set in stone that scrolling lyrics are needed, why not simply make an SMF of it and embed the lyrics into that?

If you still need to make structure changes on the fly (repeat verses, do extra solos, cut to the end sooner than usual etc.) you can always place Markers in the file to jump to certain spots. And you can always add a little text before the lyrics start to remind you where each Marker goes...

[Simke]

When I had Genos I could play an audio song and at the same time practice it in style mode, which I can't with Korg. I have to play the audio song on another device (laptop).
But... I have to emphasize that I do not regret selling Genos and buying Pa4x!