Never enough banks - v1.5 Fixes This!!

EnjoyRC · Post by **EnjoyRC** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:04 pm

RonF wrote:I assume that is only relevant if you install the Radias card.....out of the box, however, the M3 does not suffer from the same limitation on day one as a stand alone product.

Correct

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:03 pm

EnjoyRC wrote: I assume that is only relevant if you install the Radias card.....out of the box, however, the M3 does not suffer from the same limitation on day one as a stand alone product.

True, but without the RADIAS card the M3 only has the EDS engine so bank type wouldn't be relavant. I don't think anyone would want the Kronos to only have HD1 out of the box.

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:51 pm

Bald Eagle wrote: True, but without the RADIAS card the M3 only has the EDS engine so bank type wouldn't be relavant. I don't think anyone would want the Kronos to only have HD1 out of the box.

Hence how unfortunate of a choice it was for Korg to release Kronos with only one open user bank

EnjoyRC · Post by **EnjoyRC** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:01 am

Bald Eagle wrote:
EnjoyRC wrote: I assume that is only relevant if you install the Radias card.....out of the box, however, the M3 does not suffer from the same limitation on day one as a stand alone product.
True, but without the RADIAS card the M3 only has the EDS engine so bank type wouldn't be relavant. I don't think anyone would want the Kronos to only have HD1 out of the box.

I didn't write that

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:48 am

RonF wrote:
Bald Eagle wrote: True, but without the RADIAS card the M3 only has the EDS engine so bank type wouldn't be relavant. I don't think anyone would want the Kronos to only have HD1 out of the box.
Hence how unfortunate of a choice it was for Korg to release Kronos with only one open user bank

All banks on KRONOS are 'user banks'. If KORG prefilled them with sounds, no complaints from me...

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:13 am

Shakil, it is great that they filled them with sounds.

The only problem is keeping track of combis while changing the program patches. To keep this going without touching factory combis you would need TWO completely free user banks (one EXi, one HD-1).

So the problem is not missing space. There are LOTS of "museum patches" I will never use in the first HD-1 banks. But I before replacing them I have to keep track of the factory combis I want to use.

aron · Post by **aron** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:34 am

Jim,

Isn't this the same for most keyboards? The Yamaha Motif performances reference programs as well. I think if I change a program, the performances are affected.

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:11 pm

We're moving in circles

1. Many keyboards have fixed ROM sounds, and their factory programs and combis are based on them. The downside is that you sometimes have limited user slots, and that you always have to browse through all factory ROM patches as well as your own, even if you dislike some or many or most of the factory patches.

2. Korg has a much better solution: ROM is on disk, and you can overwrite each bank, factory or user. This is much more flexible.

3. But even this has a downside soon as the factory patches (which are welcome in big numbers!) leave only one FREE user bank. Soon as you change this and use the at least two free banks you need for your own organising, you are in danger mess up factory combi structures.

Result: the Korg comcept is the best. It would just require at least two free banks right from the start to avoid problem three and still keep the flexibility of the Korg concept. Simple as that.
So Korg should do one of two things:
- either add some more banks
- or clean their fatory set from many redundnt or low quality "museum patches" (often based on outdated samples like in other manufactzurer's banks). Then they could easily leave two banks and more for user patches right from the start.

mm-pro · Post by **mm-pro** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:29 pm

Of course, one man's "museum patch" is another man's favorite patch.

No matter what, a user will have to do some culling of patches to their own taste. I never use factory Combis, so this process is very easy for me. Tweak the programs to my liking or remove them and create my own. Then build my own Combis as I need them.

My guess is a lot of this argument will be moot once the Korg software becomes available.

Regards,

MM

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:06 pm

mm-pro wrote:Of course, one man's "museum patch" is another man's favorite patch
MM

Yes, this occurs, but from my view this only counts for a very small number of patches. I am sure we could get high consensus about many patches which are simply redundant or obsolete in a 2011 workstation: just not up to actual quality standards and hardly useable for most purposes.

The present state of things is bad due to missing courage: outdated patches in masses remain just for the reason that ANY lost sould anywhere in the world might use them, how improbable that ever may be.

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:20 pm

Unless KORG releases focused or genre specific Preload data, we are going to have sounds from all genres and eras of music in the preload....

It is up to the user to customize the collection of sounds on KRONOS. And it's only the KORG workstations that let you do that, on other workstation you would have to live with the presets for rest of your life.....

Yes, it is a lot of work. I am sure it will be better situation once the editor and librarian software is released.

The filing structure is very flexible... you can have specific PCG, Songs, and Sampling data..... If you have used up all 200 songs on the SEQ file, you don't have to start a new PCG... The PCG and SEQ can be independent files.

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:24 pm

jimknopf wrote:We're moving in circles

1. Many keyboards have fixed ROM sounds, and their factory programs and combis are based on them. The downside is that you sometimes have limited user slots, and that you always have to browse through all factory ROM patches as well as your own, even if you dislike some or many or most of the factory patches.

2. Korg has a much better solution: ROM is on disk, and you can overwrite each bank, factory or user. This is much more flexible.

3. But even this has a downside soon as the factory patches (which are welcome in big numbers!) leave only one FREE user bank. Soon as you change this and use the at least two free banks you need for your own organising, you are in danger mess up factory combi structures.

Result: the Korg comcept is the best. It would just require at least two free banks right from the start to avoid problem three and still keep the flexibility of the Korg concept. Simple as that.
So Korg should do one of two things:
- either add some more banks
- or clean their fatory set from many redundnt or low quality "museum patches" (often based on outdated samples like in other manufactzurer's banks). Then they could easily leave two banks and more for user patches right from the start.

Why should KORG do that?

If they gave blank banks.... we would be saying what a waste of ROM to leave them blank.

There are 14 user banks... we are free to overwrite them. Or at least think of the UA-UG banks user banks. Think of them as blank... and store your sounds there.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:25 pm

Shakil wrote:All banks on KRONOS are 'user banks'. If KORG prefilled them with sounds, no complaints from me...

Your opinion is one thing but the facts are another, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!!
We paid 3000$...for what??? No Factory Sounds? Or no User Banks?
However you wanna turned those 2 terms...

Shakil wrote:Why should KORG do that?

Cuz me and you and everyone else paid 3000$ for it.

Shakil wrote:we are free to overwrite them. Or at least think of the UA-UG banks user banks. Think of them as blank... and store your sounds there.

You are very funny...THINK of something i paid 3000$ for? You think of it,
i know better then that...if Korg put the letter U or User in there, the concept
is not User...they are not Doubbled as in some Yamaha WSs nor they are
unused in Combinations...wake up. They are not User...you paid for them
to be there...3000$ Factory Content.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:27 pm

Shakil wrote:There are 14 user banks... we are free to overwrite them. Or at least think of the UA-UG banks user banks. Think of them as blank... and store your sounds there.

A simple question, actually 2:
1. Do you know English?
2. Do you know anything about Synths? Not music.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:29 pm

jimknopf wrote:Result: the Korg comcept is the best.

No, Wrong, it was untill M3 and not with Kronos...i still want Shakil or Dan or
Rich or ANYONE to answer me a simple question:
I want all of the Factory Sounds inside and i wanna create Custom Patches
with HD-1 and EXis...where do i save them??? BOTH...very simple question.
NO WORKAROUNDS!!! I and most of us want the Factory IN!