KRONOS RAM UPGRADE 2Go to 4 Go

[jahrome]

Hi all,

Today, I've decided to add 2 Go of memory to my new K61

In fact : 2Go >>> 4Go = 3.25 GB (see img bellow) (32bits limitation)

When I load all options, I have 1124 Mo of free RAM

I Have used : Corsair 4 Go (Kit 2x2Go) DDR2-SDRAM PC6400 5-5-5-18 - TWIN2X4096-6400C5 G



Patrick

I need more sample memory so this is great news.

Does adding this memory increase the number of RAM multi-samples, RAM samples, and MS indexes available to us (which is 1000, 4000, and 1000 respectively)? The problem I have encountered with Kronos is that I can't load some Sound Font 2 files which quickly eat up the available 4000 RAM MS indexes.

[shap]

Jahrome: perhaps one of those soundfonts might be public domain? If so, give a link and instructions on how to load it, and maybe he will try it for you.

I'd offer, but I don't plan to void warranty until my one week anniversary.

[jahrome]

Jahrome: perhaps one of those soundfonts might be public domain? If so, give a link and instructions on how to load it, and maybe he will try it for you.

I'd offer, but I don't plan to void warranty until my one week anniversary.

The Sound Font files in question are Emu's Mo Phatt Library. The program banks are actually just over 100 MBs or less but they use a large number of indexes. So I can't load them properly into Kronos. Although I asked the question, my best guess is that the number of supported indexes won't change with a RAM upgrade. Kronos will most likely need a software upgrade...or an editor that can open up/resave modified Sound Font files.

[jimknopf]

I think it is highly improbable that the number will change.

Do you need Mo Phatt clompletely, Jahrome?
If I remember right there's a lot of second-rated and redundant stuff in it, so you could make your own soundfont with chosen patches from it, eating up much less of the available index numbers.

[jahrome]

I think it is highly improbable that the number will change.

Do you need Mo Phatt clompletely, Jahrome?
If I remember right there's a lot of second-rated and redundant stuff in it, so you could make your own soundfont with chosen patches from it, eating up much less of the available index numbers.

I fondly remember the hardware version of the Mo Phatt which is the reason why I purchased the sample library for Kronos. I am not well-versed on creating sound fonts. Unless I have overlooked something completely, Kronos can't choose specific patches in the Sound Font file. You must load an entire bank, which isn't currently possible due to the software limitation of indexes.

But I will gladly take recommendations of a program (Mac OS) than can help me make the library useable in Kronos.

[sani]

Korg Workstations are limited to 4000 single samples and 1000 multisamples. It is still the biggest number of samples which one can load on a current workstation.
Unfortunately, the fact that the factory expansions are provided as sample packs that are loaded into the usual memory (not like the earlier expansion cards for the triton series), they eat the usual memory.
One workaround would be to unload the EX sample packs completely and load the whole soundfont file. Then, you could listen thru the single patches and decide which one you want to use and delete those you wont. You could save that samples and multisamples and create a new ksc file to load them all (if the Kronos still uses ksc).

[Broadwave]

This is horrible... Every time I pass the downstairs study, I look forlornly at the unused and unloved PC sat on the desk (I know it's got the correct DDR2 6400's in there - I'm sure 4Gb won't be missed ).

Despite what I said about the warranty earlier, it's just so damned tempting!

[jimknopf]

sani,

didn't know that the limitations are for the whole system and not just for user samples/multisamples.

Then roughly how many single samples and multisamples are left for user sampling, after loading the standard factory setup with all EXis on board?

@jahrome: sorry, I know only PC soundfont editing.

[sani]

I can't answer that since I don't own the Kronos. Everyone who loads the standard preload can look in the sample section (or is it global) and find how many free samples/multisamples slots are left empty.
I mean, the logic is the same:
by loading the EX you use the whole sample/multisample slots in the same way as they use the Ram.
I never liked this approach (first introduced on the M3).
But that's how it works.
I don't know if there are technical limitations but maybe Korg could increase that number of indexes. They left them the same since the Triton era. On the Triton, with its 64 Mb, having 4000 samples/ 1000 multisamples was a number which nobody could fill up. Now, when we have gigabytes of ram and thousands of programs/combinations, that number doesn't appear to be that big, especially if it's filled up by factory provided samples.

[jimknopf]

Looks like you were wrong here - and I'm glad about it

just checked
- Global -> Sample Manage. There I find the numers of used slots:
- RAM Multisamples 2 of 1000
- RAM Samples 0 of 4000
- RAM MS Indexes 16 of 4000

Curious what the multisamples are, but anyway: It seems we have the indexes just for user samples.

I guess MS Indexes means multisample indexes and will always be the most critical value for multisample use.

[jahrome]

If you choose not to load any of the factory sounds, you can load 4000 samples, 1000 multisamples, and 4000 indexes and approx 1 GB of memory to work with. If Triton can achieve the same thing with 64 MB, Korg should seriously consider upgrading this area. It is just disappointing that loading 67 multisamples using no more than 128 MB of memory can easily max out Kronos.

[jimknopf]

The figures above are from my Kronos WITH all EXis loaded (factory configuration).

[sparkie]

SO the correct Ram is TWIN2X4096-6400C5C
and not the TWIN2X4096-6400C5??

I wonder what the difference is between the 2? Speed etc?

Also I am confused here, So if we install the 4GB Ram, then will we still have to unload EX samples etc before loading up Sharps Assault etc...??

[Broadwave]

I think the difference is that one has the heatsink... I maybe wrong!

Also I am confused here, So if we install the 4GB Ram, then will we still have to unload EX samples etc before loading up Sharps Assault etc...??

No, I think you should be able to append Assault (into the spare User G bank, if you don't want to overwrite the factory presets) along side ALL of the EX's, and STILL have about 450Mb left over for your own samples.

Assault uses the following:

837Mb RAM

RAM Multisamples 132/1000
RAM Samples 2488/4000
RAM MS Indexes 2489/4000


Good eh?

[shap]

SO the correct Ram is TWIN2X4096-6400C5C
and not the TWIN2X4096-6400C5??

See the technical specifications here. Either memory should work, but you can probably get away without the heat spreader (like the original does), so you might want to consider PNY or Kingston product instead.

If the heat spreader fits it is a good thing to have, but it makes for a tighter fit, and it's really not necessary unless you are overclocking (which you aren't).