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neomad wrote:Sharp said already no, happily.

No need to, no reason too, a big red X and a few parts does not change the game: remains the same WS, same features, same operation, same connectors, etc.

Sorry to bring this up again, but, despite accepting the position agreed upon here (and it remains paramount that I respect the stand point and view even if I don't agree with it because this forum is so valuable), I cannot let a sloppy post lie this pass.

You are incorrect to say there is no reason. I pointed out legitimate and substantive reasons why Kronos X deserves separate attention into the future. At a minimum, the decision taken will contribute to confusion into the medium term future. This singular forum is catering for two Korg releases and that cannot but lead to ambiguity. I'll let it lie now - not need to remind me of that !!

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Kevin Nolan wrote:I pointed out legitimate and substantive reasons why Kronos X deserves separate attention into the future. At a minimum, the decision taken will contribute to confusion into the medium term future. This singular forum is catering for two Korg releases and that cannot but lead to ambiguity. I'll let it lie now - not need to remind me of that !!
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Kevin, it's no problem to make such a suggestion. It just has not become common view, as could happen to any proposal from any of us.

Frankly, I can't see, what you still keep claiming, and if you insist so much, let me put it straight: to me the reasons you named looked quite unsubstantial. You have not bothered to answer my question, which so-called Kronos-X topic couldn't just as well be debated in this Kronos forum - without leading to any amount of confusion, by the way. Kronos users just keep on being one community, where everybody is able to use the same OS and the same hardware specifications.

The KronosX is in no(!) way something worth calling a separate synth, it's just a Kronos with a red X and specifications, which many other Kronos users share (or exceed) anyway, as factory norm. I have not seen a single argument from you, which could make me rethink this view.
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It will be a different story though, if Korg would stop supporting OS upgrades for the Kronos while continuing doing for the Kronos X. I think it would be strange, because the hardware is equal.

And even hardware updates/upgrades for the Kronos X only is highly doubtable (is that English?) because Korg would have a much less user base to benefit (read getting money spend from).
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Actually Kevin, I think this is one of your better suggestions... :twisted:

I propose a separate forum for Kronos owners whose name begins with A-M and another for those beginning N-Z.. then further subforums within these based on Kronos owners bloodtypes... anyone with me?
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orangefunk wrote:Actually Kevin, I think this is one of your better suggestions... :twisted:

I propose a separate forum for Kronos owners whose name begins with A-M and another for those beginning N-Z.. then further subforums within these based on Kronos owners bloodtypes... anyone with me?
I don't think it's fair to make fun of this. The debate is how much a synth should differ from another to have its own forum thread.

If he would ask to split the SV1 and the reversed colored SV1 than there could be jokes.
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I think its fair game because its so ridiculous... why spend energy on this?
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orangefunk wrote:I think its fair game because its so ridiculous... why spend energy on this?
You seem to be spending energy on this...

Just as you have your right to say the idea is ridiculous, Kevin Nolan has his right to make a suggestion.

And before you start ridiculing people's ideas, you should maybe investigate who it is you're ridiculing - Kevin is highly respected here and has released many fantastic libraries for the OASYS for free - which of course you can also load up into your K or KX. I think such generosity and skill deserves a little more respect than you're showing at the moment.

As for the forum question - I don't care one way or another; I don't have a K nor will I have a KX. I don't believe Kevin has a K at the moment either but he was only trying to make the forum better for you by making a suggestion - doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not; he was thinking of your user experience on this forum.

Disagree by all means - but reducing the debate to ridicule is only reflecting badly on you.
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cello wrote:
orangefunk wrote:I think its fair game because its so ridiculous... why spend energy on this?
You seem to be spending energy on this...

Just as you have your right to say the idea is ridiculous, Kevin Nolan has his right to make a suggestion.

And before you start ridiculing people's ideas, you should maybe investigate who it is you're ridiculing - Kevin is highly respected here and has released many fantastic libraries for the OASYS for free - which of course you can also load up into your K or KX. I think such generosity and skill deserves a little more respect than you're showing at the moment.

As for the forum question - I don't care one way or another; I don't have a K nor will I have a KX. I don't believe Kevin has a K at the moment either but he was only trying to make the forum better for you by making a suggestion - doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not; he was thinking of your user experience on this forum.

Disagree by all means - but reducing the debate to ridicule is only reflecting badly on you.
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jimknopf wrote:
Kevin Nolan wrote:I pointed out legitimate and substantive reasons why Kronos X deserves separate attention into the future. At a minimum, the decision taken will contribute to confusion into the medium term future. This singular forum is catering for two Korg releases and that cannot but lead to ambiguity. I'll let it lie now - not need to remind me of that !!
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Kevin, it's no problem to make such a suggestion. It just has not become common view, as could happen to any proposal from any of us.

Frankly, I can't see, what you still keep claiming, and if you insist so much, let me put it straight: to me the reasons you named looked quite unsubstantial. You have not bothered to answer my question, which so-called Kronos-X topic couldn't just as well be debated in this Kronos forum - without leading to any amount of confusion, by the way. Kronos users just keep on being one community, where everybody is able to use the same OS and the same hardware specifications.

The KronosX is in no(!) way something worth calling a separate synth, it's just a Kronos with a red X and specifications, which many other Kronos users share (or exceed) anyway, as factory norm. I have not seen a single argument from you, which could make me rethink this view.
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I don't see why we'd need another section for the Kronos-X as 95% of the topics will apply to both units. This could end up confusing really fast.

Most users will get the 2.0 update and we'll all end up with the same unit anyway.

The way I see it the Kronos section will slowly morphed into a Kronos-X section.
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Dniss wrote:
The way I see it the Kronos section will slowly morphed into a Kronos-X section.
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NO NEW RH3!!!?

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I'm sorry I won't be able to buy this keyboard if the 88-key version doesn't have a better/fixed/improved RH3 keyed. I bought a Kronos last week and got a refund because the 88-key RH3 keyed was that terrible! Muting notes and everything!

PLEASE KRAFT tell me that the Kronos X will have a MUCH IMPROVED RH3 keybed?

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Dniss wrote:I don't see why we'd need another section for the Kronos-X as 95% of the topics will apply to both units. This could end up confusing really fast.

Most users will get the 2.0 update and we'll all end up with the same unit anyway.

The way I see it the Kronos section will slowly morphed into a Kronos-X section.
Yes, and apart from the X, nobody will notice a difference 8)
If that is 5%, fine with me. :wink:

P.S. Sorry to hear from yet ANOTHER faulty RH3 keybed!
This disease really has to be stopped, and faulty parts should be replaced BEFORE selling. Can't be too difficult to test them before selling, and have Korg repair faulty ones before buyers have to get angry for good reason, can it?
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We're still talking about this? Can we lock the thread already?

Think of it this way: The Kronos X is like X for Expanded, similar to the M3 which still only has one Forum. More Ram, A bigger SSD, and a red sticker do not a new keyboard make :)
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This line of argument is entirely created by Korg. They have a different web page for the X, and they state how much better than the non-X it is. Its like the original Kronos isn't that capable of making music :D

There MAY be internal improvements, they certainly want you to think so. I really want to hear if the K-X is any different inside when they are released. Is a K-X the same as a K but more ram and HDD space? Posters who ought to know say so, but no one told the web maintainers...

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