Temporary withdrawal of support for Korg Pa products

DjStiky · Post by **DjStiky** » Sat May 10, 2008 3:20 pm

Guys, we need something more than Style conversion.
We need a software where we can manage our SETs with. Do stuff like:

-Move Styles, Sounds, Performances around to different locations (Ex: Moving user sounds without affecting styles or performances that use them)
-Manage Samples (Delete, Import, Create new multisamples out of individual samples, etc...)
-Copy Styles, Sounds, Performances, other settings to Blank SETs (Styles for example would detect used user sounds and copy them as well automatically, etc..)

Something that will make our lives easier. Especially when trying to merge elements from different SETs into one.

I'd finally have my PA2X setup the way I want. I've never been able to do this 100% even since I had the PA1X when it just came out.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » Sat May 10, 2008 3:33 pm

DjStiky
YES!
I agree we really need that from third party. I doubt it will come from Korg?

Style conversion and these utilities would be outstanding and make the PA series great for the future....

To do that we need to have open access to Korg's data structures.
If we do not get that we are stuck!
Lee

krdzo · Post by **krdzo** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:00 pm

Come On KORG!!!! Give us a Response!!!!!!!!

keyboard · Post by **keyboard** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:25 pm

http://www.createsongstyles.com/index.p ... e&Itemid=1

Rob's concern is one that a lot of musicians share...

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:17 pm

KORG.....

Communication.....

Good for you.... good for all....

korg?

[DEAR ROB- I'm not speaking about the EMS... I'm with you!]

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:17 pm

Please could you start a new thread if you wish to discuss EMC Styleworks any more?

miden · Post by **miden** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:09 am

Yes, I second that suggestion.

We want to keep this thread "clean" and solidly focussed on the ONE issue.

All that is required is to post your support, no need to discuss anything else.

Dennis

PraiseTheLord · Post by **PraiseTheLord** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:35 pm

The only real weakness in the Pa2X is lack of styles. Korg must have thought this through, but I do not understand the business model. Styles is not their business, keyboards are. So, if they can encourage a healthy sub-industry of style and sound creators their keyboards will sound better, and they will sell more keyboards.

They are a great company that produces great products, so they're obviously full of talented people.

What am I missing?

Graham

worth · Post by **worth** » Sun May 11, 2008 1:37 pm

"The only real weakness in the Pa2X is lack of styles. Korg must have thought this through, but I do not understand the business model. Styles is not their business, keyboards are. So, if they can encourage a healthy sub-industry of style and sound creators their keyboards will sound better, and they will sell more keyboards.

They are a great company that produces great products, so they're obviously full of talented people.

What am I missing? "

My guess is that there is a very real possibility that this additional function will become available after Korg have made enough money from their very latest top of the range arranger keyboard just as they did its predecessor the PA1X. Think it through. If Korg allow everyone to use their styles that they just launched with their latest keyboard why would anyone buy that keyboard ? The styles are the heart of the instrument.

Mickb · Post by **Mickb** » Sun May 11, 2008 2:02 pm

worth wrote:
My guess is that there is a very real possibility that this additional function will become available after Korg have made enough money from their very latest top of the range arranger keyboard just as they did its predecessor the PA1X. Think it through. If Korg allow everyone to use their styles that they just launched with their latest keyboard why would anyone buy that keyboard ? The styles are the heart of the instrument.

worth

it is not the styles that Korg has been asked to release, they are already out there, the request is for a library to allow the user to manage the full resources of the keyboard, including the PA1X since version 3 of the musical resources. It is not for those styles to be converted for use in other instruments, just to make it more practical to edit, move around, import etc programs, performances and styles either between users or more importantly for a users own personal enjoyment and satifaction with their own board.

There are editors available for the triton, oasys and other korg keyboards why not the PA series?

For example, everyone knows how difficult it is to combine sets which use user sounds, if this API was released then it would be possible, sooner rather than much later without the release, to manage this difficult task on a pc with just one single edit instead of up to 200 at present, (Nedim is that right 200 edits at present)

worth · Post by **worth** » Sun May 11, 2008 8:18 pm

Thanks for that Mick B.

Then lets make the issue perfectly clear as half the posts on this thread are complaints about the limitations concerning styles conversion and certainly the tenure of the posts put up were about the keyboard not having more third party support like yamaha .

So if all we are talking about is a tool to help manage the files better then lets put up a survey explaining in detail what functionality we want and see what sort of real demand for it there is without all the threats and nonsense about selling our £2500 instruments over this single issue.

For those that are concerned about style conversions, then the EMC statement in this thread is as good an assurance as you are gonna get.

If there is genuine demand for this PC utility. Korg will respond.

miden · Post by **miden** » Sun May 11, 2008 8:46 pm

worth wrote: If there is genuine demand for this PC utility. Korg will respond.

Worth,
A PC utility program, to allow editing of the PA has been asked for since the release of op sys 1.5 of the original PA1Xpro...the only response from Korg in all that time has been....nothing!!!

Dennis

worth · Post by **worth** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:16 pm

we can ask for anything. Korg are not obligated to provide it.

But if there is genuine demand for this utility in serious numbers not just the 10 or so that have posted then there is a high chance the utility will be provided.

If the demand is not there then korg will prioritise it resources elsewhere . Despite some of the posts i have read , Korg are a business and they will listen to their customers if there is sufficient demand for a feature that we want. But we need to be very clear what we want and that there is sufficient demand for it to persuade ( Not threaten) Korg. Just becuase you might want a specific feature (no matter how bad you want it ) does not mean that Korg have to supply it. We are behaving as though korg have not honoured some part of their contract when we purchased their instrument. There was never any term when we purchased their instrument that they would provide additiona facilities to us in using their instrument. Persuasion is always more effective than brute force.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:43 pm

We are NOT asking Korg for PC the utility!
We are asking Korg to make available the information so third party's can create utility's for us to use on the Korg products. This info is currently confidential with Korg.

One reason the style issue came up is beacause we were told EMC said they do not have the info from Korg to read Korg PA2 styles in their converter.

The only issue this thread should address is the fact that Korg has not released the info we need to write PC utilities for our istruments. So folks that are trying write these utilities are stalled out.

Lee

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:50 pm

worth wrote:we can ask for anything. Korg are not obligated to provide it.

In my opinion it is their obligation, it is a 4000$ mashine, we are not asking
for luxury but something we deserve and need.

worth wrote:But if there is genuine demand for this utility in serious numbers not just the 10 or
so that have posted then there is a high chance the utility will be provided.

It doesnt have to be ANY DEMMAND AT ALL, it is their own responsibility for
a 4000$ mashine...again...same as every other company does.

Most of todays mashines almost from any company come bundled with all
kinds of softwares and editors, even the 400$ synths, not 4000$,
KORG is way behind anyone else, even Novation can do better.