I wonder what will ever come along to surpass OASYS?

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I first became aware of Khan's quotes and philosophies from the inside liner of the Rascals 1971 double album masterpiece "Peaceful World".

They had posted a stylized part of a longer Khan quote that always stuck with me that said:

"Life is a symphony; in this every individual is one note. Happiness lies in becoming perfectly attuned to the harmony of the universe"

Let's all get attuned! :soundsgood
.:':. Soundworld A.D. .:':.
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Jedi Simon

Nothing new. Oasys II just changed name to Kronos.

Post by Jedi Simon »

OASYS — RIP?

Korg appear to have been careful to avoid calling the Kronos the OASYS MkII, which would have been just as appropriate. I suspect that there is a commercial reason for this. If they had done so, it would have been reasonable for OASYS owners to expect some or all of the Kronos’s new libraries and facilities to be made available as upgrades. By divorcing one from the other, the company are, in effect, saying, “How can we put Kronos inside OASYS? They are different products.”

Have you noticed that Kronos shape is in fact the true OASYS prototype that they presented long ago?

This says it all.

They tried to create this monster but it was to early, and it costed them a lot of money to build it.

Now that they are not wishing to spend too much, and are trying to get back all the money they spent on that project, we meet Kronos.

I believe that it should not be intended as a new and different project, but as a part of the first one.

Incompatibilities have beeen created in the two softwares, OS 1.3.3 AND KRONOS 2.0 so that the Oasys owners will have to buy a new keyboard, instead of upgrading Oasys to Kronos level.

Commercial decisions, of course.

Oasys Pcgs can be red by Kronos, but not the contrary.

My Idea was to create a Revolving doors program, so that the community, could use them without any limitation.

iF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO COME NEXT, then go to my posts, and you will find out. I do not believe that Korg, Roland or Yamaha will jump ahead, and create something really new.

No mostrers anymore.

Neko just did it, and without creating any fuss...

It's the agreement multinational have signed according to technological progress, that runs the system.

So you have to take a look at softwares and virtual machines, to find out what is really going to change things.

Hardware makers have been surpassed by programmers.

Home made hardware could be cheaper and more valuable, functional and futuristic than any keyboard produced at the moment by the main companies.

I could build you one with spear parts in a couple of weeks.

Look at NEKO. If I love Korg sounds, I could simply colone a Kronos INTO IT AND go VST plug ins.

It is as simple as this. Future does not belong to them any more, because they made a fault when they said that OASYS was an open architecture, whilst it was not. We all know what an OPEN SOURCE IS, and programmers nowadays are able to answer directly to questions, tasks and ideas that their friends ask them to put in practice.

When we all discovered tht inside the Oasys ther was a pentium 4, a motherboard, and a pc put to pieces in an orizontal case, we realized that they did exactly what we are doing today.

Software, is the key. Fast cpus, memory banks, and a perfect soundcard.

You might create your own keyboard with a powerful pc, 16 gig meme, touch screen, etc... add a mixer, a 24 tracks recorder, 64 pads, or even a double touch screen, 10 points, and there you are.
Software is most of the time free if you consider plugins.

You could go open source linux, so that no one could create copyright problems to you, no slowing down dlls open all the time, and spyware, trojans, etc... ( you know, industry uses open source all the time, immediately, as soon as their product works fine with it - Android OS ).


It is only a matter of building the structure of the new keyboard, starting from valuable pieces, that you could unite altogether in a 25 kg configuration that would be cheaper that any keyboard you find around today ). Build one yourself.

Software is around. It's up to you. Dinosours are for lazy people, not musicians. Ready made stuff, where you anly have to buy sounds and cards, is something that belonges to the past.

The spoilt it, because they wanted to run indefinitly the slowing down of progress and technology to keep selling new models every two months.

Has anything really changed since Oasys? No.

But if you don't know what a Neko is, i shall explain this to you.

Take a look, and then, make up your mind.
The idea Korg had was a good one. This is the avrege person realization of that concept, at half of the price, and if you make it by yourself, you would not spend more than 2000 dollars.

These are the specs:



A Timbaland-inspired, all-in-one music production station.

The Timbaland Special Edition NeKo (NeKo TSE) is an all-in-one production studio powered by Windows XP, capable of running virtually any Windows XP compatible software, including a variety of DAW software, virtual instruments (VSTi), virtual effects (VST), and other music applications.
Timbaland, one of the hottest producers in the past decade, wanted the ability to work on his music from home on a larger unit and still be able to travel easily with his other Open Labs creation, the MiKo. So Open Labs obliged with the NeKo, which utilizes the same gear with matching specs and software. It provides the features that most people are looking for, at a more affordable price.

These Gen4 models are equipped with Intel Core2Quad processors providing exceptional processing power. With the edition of Translator, specially written for Open Labs by Chicken Systems, users can easily convert and manage many different file types within the Open Labs environment. Also included in the preinstalled software is Reaper from Cockos, a DAW with unlimited tracks, which records audio-midi and integrates all of the user's Karsyn presets in an easy-to-use, drag-and-drop format.

The NeKo TSE features E-MU's new Proteus X2 Streaming Sound Module V2.5 with over 10,148 instruments, including the new Ensoniq Urban Legends Sound Library that contains the sounds from Ensoniq's ASR/EPS/MR/ASR-X/ZR instruments. These sounds were specifically requested by Timbaland, and are only available in the TSE units. Running in the Proteus environment, these keyboards are reborn, giving you an incredible combination of high-end audio quality with virtual instruments that would cost you over $60,000 were you to buy the actual models individually.

Included in this special edition is the Open Labs sound library V4, which contains over 35-gigabytes of premium sounds, constituting 28,074 presets and Open Labs Special Edition plugins, optimized by the software developers for use with the NeKo.

Some of the other features include a 61-key semi-weighted synth action keyboard, pitch bend and modulation wheels, a trackpad with 2 buttons, a full (QWERTY) keyboard module, assignable alpha control module, DJ Module, an internal 15" color touch screen LCD with high resolution, and a built-in Presonus FireBox audio interface.

Presonus FireBox

The PreSonus FireBox is a 24-bit/96kHz FireWire Recording System with a 6-in, 10-out computer recording interface. It boasts 2 crystal-clear Class A preamps with 45dB gain, ultra-wide 10Hz-50kHz frequency response, and professional 24-bit/96kHz converters with 110dB dynamic range for a big, musical sound.

It has 2 mic/instrument preamps with 48V phantom power conveniently located on the front panel. It gives you 2 balanced TRS line inputs, 6 balanced TRS analog outs, as well as MIDI and S/PDIF I/O. You can record through 6 inputs and playback through 8 outputs simultaneously. It also has a stereo headphone output and the main volume control on the front panel.

The FireBox is compatible with both Windows XP and Mac OS X and is compatible with many popular ASIO/WDM and Core Audio based applications including Sonar, Cubase, Nuendo, Logic, Digital Performer, Premier, and many others.
Features

61-key semi-weighted synth action keyboard (with world-class Fatar Technology)
Built-in Presonus FireBox interface

Control Surfaces:

Pitch Bend and modulation wheels
Trackpad with 2 buttons
Keyboard ("QWERTY") module
Assignable alpha control module (5 faders, 5 modes buttons, 3 transpose buttons, 5 directions buttons, and 5 transport buttons)
DJ Module: Penny and Giles crossfader, 7 knobs, and 12 buttons

Audio I/O:

High performance audio I/O card with low latency including 24-bit/96kHz professional 4-in/6-out
2 mic/instrument preamp inputs with Phantom Power of 48V
2 analog line inputs
6 analog line outputs
S/PDIF digital I/O (coaxial)
1 headphone jack with volume control

Display:

Internal 15" color touch screen LCD high resolution (1024 x 768)
External video port for running dual monitors or a video projector

Presonus FIreBox

24-bit/96kHz FireWire recording interface
2 front panel inputs with preamps and 48V phantom power
2 balanced TRS line inputs
6 balanced TRS analog outs
MIDI I/O
S/PDIF I/O
Recording and playback through 6 inputs and 8 outputs simultaneously
Stereo headphone output
Volume control
Compatible with most ASIO/WDM and Core Audio based applications

Connections:

MIDI In/Out
Sustain and Expression ports
2 USB 2.0 ports
FireWire 400 port
Gigabit (10/100/1000) Ethernet port

Software:

Microsoft Windows XP Home; Open Labs' Custom GUI, mFusion, Karsyn, MimiK; E-MU Proteus X2 Streaming Sound Module V2.5; ChickenSys Translator, Reaper

PREMIUM Factory Sound Library V4:

28,074 presets (over 35GB of sounds) from over 60 virtual instruments including: E-MU's Ensoniq Urban Legends, Mo'Phatt X, Modern Symphonic Orchestra, Old World Instruments, Vintage X Pro Collection, Virtuoso X, and X2 Production Library, Truepianos, WusikStation V4, Extra Wusik Sound Libraries (Wusik Sound Magazine 1-13, HQ Strings, Choirs, GM), Purity, Sylenth 1, VB3 OL SE, Mr. Ray22, Mr. Ray73, Mr. Tramp, Organized Trio V3, Realguitar V2.1 OL SE, Discovery V2.10 OL SE, Vertigo V2.6 OL SE, HighLife V1.4, WIVI Trial Edt., Suburban Guitarist, Lollapalooza Lite OL SE, BB303i V2, Synth 1, Addictive Drums Demo, Ticky Clav, Delay Lama, Crystal V2.4, Sun RA, String Theory V1.5, Texture V1.2, Rez V2, Motion V2.8, Plugsound Free, Mini Dizi, Mini Erhu, EPiano Module, Rhodes Module, Bass Module, Rock, Bass Line, UltraSonique V1.1, Syncoder 32-2, Spook Keys, Super Spook Keys, Cubix V1.0.1, Minimal V1.5, Optik V1.4, Pandemonium V2, X-Fortuna, Lazer Blade Free, Protoplasm 21 Free, STS-25 Free, Ph0ne, Rogue, MicroSynt, Artphase V1.5, Mr. Alias V1.02, Blood Bucket V1, Monolisa V1.12, String Synth, PhadiZ, and Accordion.

Included Accessories:

AC cord
Start guide
Owner's manual (PDF)
Motherboard manual
Open Labs Sounds Utilities and Drivers DVD
3 Reference Maps
2.5mm wrench
Additional screws and washers for hard drive upgrade



NOW I GUESS YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

Ultra-wide 10Hz-50kHz frequency RECORDING IS SOMETHING A WORKSTATION IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU. AND THIS MEANS THAT THIS SYNTH IS CAPABLE OF WORKING AT VERY HIGH STANDARDS.

LIMITLESS, FROM A SOFTWARE POINT OF VIEW, SO THAT YOU COULD ADD ANYTHING YOU LIKE TO THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU ARE RUNNING IN THE SYSTEM.

And finally, you do not need to play your synth with a pc on the side, because it is inside the keyboard, and it doing exactly what you are asking it to do, and not playing aabout with dlls, wifi, spyware etc...
let's say shielded.

Take care. If you have not heard about this keyboard it is because most of the companies oblige sellers not to deal with other companies, ( which is illegal ), but nevertheless, happens all the time.

I do believe that home made configurations will soon beat standard workstations, and that teir capabilities will be much higher that the one their redy made products offer.

Just be patient, and wait for "Hackorg", or build yourself a Neko.


Jedi Simon
Jedi Simon

This is what a Kronos offers instead.

Post by Jedi Simon »

Specs of a Kronos.

Keyboard: 61‑key semi‑weighted; 73‑ and 88‑key piano‑weighted.
HD1 Synth Engine 314MB ROM, 1505 multisamples, 1388 drum samples.
Expansion Libraries EXs1 ROM expansion; EXs2 Concert Grand Piano; EXs3 Brass & Woodwinds; EXs4 Vintage Keyboards; EXs5 ROM Expansion 2; EXs6 SGX1 German D Piano; EXs7 SGX1 Japanese C Piano; EXs8 Rock Ambience Drums; EXs9 Jazz Ambience Drums.
Wave Sequences 165 preset, 374 user.
Expansion Instruments: SGX1 acoustic pianos, EP1 electro‑mechanical pianos, AL1 virtual analogue synthesizer, MOD7 FM synthesizer, STR1 plucked string synthesizer, MS20EX virtual analogue synthesizer, PolysixEX virtual analogue synthesizer, CX3 virtual tonewheel organ.
Internal RAM 2GB.
Available Sample RAM 148MB after factory libraries loaded.
Internal Drive 30GB SSD.
Memory 1664 Programs, 1792 Combis, 152 Drum kits, 256 GM2 Programs and nine GM2 drum kits.
Set Lists 128 lists, 128 slots per list.
Sampling 48kHz, 16-/24‑bit, 4000 samples, 1000 multisamples maximum
Effects Insert Effects: 12; Master Effects: two; Total Effects: two. 185 different types with side‑chaining; 783 presets, maximum 32 presets per type. EQs: one per track.
KARMA 2048 preset Generated Effects (GEs), 1536 User GEs, one module in Program mode, four modules in Combi and Sequencer modes.
Drum Tracks 697 preset patterns, 1000 user patterns.
Sequencer/Recorder 16‑track MIDI sequencer, 16‑track hard disk recorder, master track. Four‑track simultaneous recording, maximum 200 songs, 300,000 audio events, 400,000 MIDI events. Resolution: 480ppqn. Real-time Pattern Play and Record (RPPR): 1 Pattern set per song.
Screen TouchView, eight-inch TFT, 800x600 pixels.
Analogue Outputs Main L/R, four individual, headphones.
Analogue Inputs Two quarter‑inch TRS balanced jacks.
Optical S/PDIF In & Out, 24‑bit, 48kHz.
Control Inputs Damper, assignable switch, assignable pedal.
MIDI (DIN) In, Out, Thru.
USB A Two connections to external USB devices.
USB B MIDI & two‑channel audio interface, 24‑bit, 48kHz.


Nothing compares to it. Obsolete.


Jedi Simon
Jedi Simon

Specs of the Oasys compared to Kronos and Neko. What future?

Post by Jedi Simon »

And here the specs of an Oasys workstation that truly was ahead of time.
( The father of Kronos in fact )

Keyboard OASYS 88 88-key Real Weighted Hammer Action (RH2)


Tone Generator Internal PCM: HD-1 High Definition Synthesizer
EXi

Analog Modeling: AL-1 Analog Synthesizer
Tonewheel Organ Modeling: CX-3 Tonewheel Organ

Maximum Polyphony (*1*2)

HD-1: 172 voices (172 oscillators)
AL-1: 84 voices
CX-3: 172 voices

Number of Programs 1,664 user memory programs come preloaded
Number of Combinations 1,792 user memory combinations (384 come preloaded)
Number of Drumkits 152 user memory drumkit (40 come preloaded)
General MIDI 256 GM Level2 preset programs+ 9 GM Level2 drum preset programs
Preset PCM 314MB (1,505 multisamples, 1,376 drum samples)
Expansion PCM Libraries

313MB - EXs 1 ROM Expansion: 229 multisamples, 1,483 drum samples
503MB - EXs 2 Concert Grand Piano: 5 stereo multisamples

Capacity of PCM RAM (*3) 500MB
Wave 374 user memory, 150 preload

PCM Program Advanced Vector Synthesis Control oscillator volumes, synth parameters, effect parameters via the Vector joystick and the tempo-synced Vector Envelope
Structure

Single: OSC1
Double: OSC1 and OSC2
Double mode lets you layer two completely separate synth voices, each with their own velocity-switched oscillator, dual filters, EGs, LFOs, etc.

Oscillators 4 velocity zones per oscillator, with switching, crossfades and layering. Each zone can play mono or stereo Multisamples or Wave Sequences.
Filters

Two multi-mode filters per voice: low-pass, high-pass, band-pass and band-reject
Four-mode filter routings: single, serial, parallel and 24dB mode

Driver Per voice non-linear driver and low boost circuit
EQ Three bands, with sweepable mid
Modulation Three envelope generators, two LFOs per voice, common LFO, four key tracking generators, AMS (Alternate Modulation Source); modulate a large number of synthesis parameters via LFOs, Envelopes, and real-time controllers. Two AMS Mixers - combine and process AMS sources. Add, multiply, smooth, quantize, and more.
Drumkit Supports both stereo/ and mono drum samples, four-stage velocity switch/crossfade

EXi Program Common Advanced Vector Synthesis Control oscillator volumes and synthesis & effects parameters via the Vector Joystick and the tempo-synchronized Vector Envelope.
Modulation Common Step Sequencer: 32-step sequencer with smoothing, adjustable step duration, and tempo synchronization. AMS (Alternate Modulation Source); modulate a large number of synthesis parameters via LFOs, Envelopes, and real-time controllers, Common LFO, 2 Key Tracking Generators.
EQ Three bands, with sweepable mid

AL-1 Analog Synthesizer Oscillators New design ultra-low-aliasing oscillators OSC1, OSC2, Sub-oscillator and noise generator; ring modulation, FM, and Sync
Audio Input Run real-time audio through the synthesis engine, including ring mod, filters, drive circuit, amp, and EQ
Filters

Two multi-mode filter (low-pass, high-pass, band-pass and band-reject) with four types of filter routings (single, serial, parallel and 24dB mode)
MultiFilter mode (only Filter-A; modulateable mix of Low Pass, High Pass, Band Pass, and dry input, for creating a wide variety of unique filter types and effects)

Driver Per-voice non-linear driver and low boost circuit
Modulation

Five Envelope generators, four per-voice LFOs, two Key Tracking generators, and two AMS Mixers.Per-voice
Step Sequencer: 32-step sequencer with smoothing, adjustable step duration, and tempo synchronization.


CX-3 Tonewheel Organ Tonewheel Organ Modeling A further evolution of Korg's acclaimed CX-3. Phase-synchronous tonewheels (clean and vintage modes), percussion, key click, wheel brake.
EX Mode Four additional, user-specified drawbars, and expanded percussion.
Internal Effects Rotary speaker, vibrato/chorus, amp modeling with overdrive, 3-band EQ
Drawbar Controlled via nine front-panel sliders
Split Upper, Lower
Modulation Two AMS mixers

Combination Number of Timbres 16 Maximum
Master Keyboard Functionality Keyboard and velocity splits, layers, and crossfades of up to 16 Programs and/or external MIDI devices
Advanced Vector Synthesis Control oscillator volumes and synthesis & effects parameters via the Vector Joystick and the tempo-synchronized Vector Envelope.

Sampling System

Open Sampling System (resampling, In-Track sampling)
16bit/48kHz stereo/mono samping, maximum 512MB memory
4,000 samples/1,000 multisamples (128 indexes per multisample)
Direct sampling (ripping) from audio CD (CD-DA)
Able to load Korg format, AKAI S1000/S3000 data (with advanced Program parameter conversion), AIFF, and WAVE formats
Time Stretch, Time Slice, Crossfade Loop, and other standard editing features


Effects Insert Effects 12 Insert Effects; in-line processing, stereo in / stereo out.
Master Effects Two Master Effects; two effects sends, stereo in / stereo out.
Total Effects Two Total Effects; for overall processing on the main outputs, such as compression, limiting, and EQ; stereo in / stereo out.
Timber EQ High, low, and sweepable mid band. Per Program in Program Mode, per Timbre in Combi mode (16 total), and per Track in Sequence mode (32 total).
Effect Types 185 types (Every type can be used as an insert, master or total effect).
Dynamic Modulation Real-time control of effects parameters.
Common LFO Synchronized LFO modulation of multiple effects.
Effects Control Busses Two stereo side chains (for compressors, gates, vocoders, etc.).
Record Busses Two stereo busses (for sampling and recording).

KARMA KARMA*** Modules One module in Program mode, four modules in Combination and Sequencer modes; independent, programmable real-time control settings for each Module.
Generated Effects (GE) 2,000 presets. New RTC (Real Time Controller) Models provide more consistent control of KARMA parameters.
Controllers

ON/OFF, LATCH, CHORD, ASSIGN, MODULE, CONTROL, KARMA REALTIME CONTROL SLIDERS [1] - [8], KARMA SCENE [1] - [8], KARMA SWITCHES [1] - [8], KARMA Waveform Control function, GE Sub-Category function, Auto RTC (Real Time Control) setup function.
KARMA Waveform Control (change Multisamples via the KARMA engine), GE Sub-Categories, Free Randomize function, Time Signature Control, Tempo synchronization, Auto RTC (Real Time Control) setup.


Sequencer
/HDR Tracks 16-track MIDI sequencer + 16-track hard disk recorder + master track.
Number of Songs 200 songs
Resolution 1-192 ppq
Tempo 40.00 – 240.00 (1/100 BPM resolution)
Maximum Memory 400,000 MIDI events or 300,000 audio events
MIDI Tracks

16 tracks plus the master track
150 preset/100 user patterns (per song)
16 preset/16 user template songs
Format: Korg (OASYS) format, SMF formats 0 and 1

Audio Tracks 16-track playback, 4-track simultaneous recording WAV file format Maximum single-file recording time (mono): 80 minutes Automation: Volume, Pan, EQ, and Send1/2 5,000 regions (max.), Event Anchors , BPM Adjust.
RPPR (Realtime Pattern Play & Record 1 Pattern set per song

Controllers Performance Controllers

Vector joystick
Korg Joystick
Ribbon controller
Switches 1 & 2

Pads 1-8 Velocity-sensitive drum pads and chord triggers

Control Surface CONTROL ASSIGN Switches Assigns the Control Surface to TIMBRE/TRACK, AUDIO, EXTERNAL, R.TIME KNOBS/KARMA, or TONE ADJUST.
MIXER KNOBS Switch Assigns the Mixer Knobs to either CHANNEL STRIP or INDIVIDUAL PAN.
Knobs 1-8 (w/LED value indicators) 1-192 ppq
Switches 1-8 (Upper Row) Channel Strip, Individual Pan, External MIDI, Realtime modulation, Tone Adjust.
Switches 1-8 (Lower Row) Select/Solo, External MIDI, KARMA Switches, Tone Adjust
Master Slider Volume, External MIDI, Tone Adjust
KARMA Controller Section Switches = ON/OFF, LATCH, CHORD ASSIGN, MODULE CONTROL

Disk Mode Load, save, utility, audio CD burning, audio CD playback, data filer function (save/load MIDI System Exclusive data),CDs (UDF format read/write), ISO9660 Level 1.

Display TouchView graphical user interface, 10.4 inch TFT, 640x480 dots, adjustable angle.

Audio Connections (all are 24-bit) Outputs

Main Outputs (L/MONO, R): 1/4 Unbalanced; 1.1 k Stereo; 550 Mono (L/MONO Only)
Individual 1-8: Max. output level: less than +18.5dBu (when load impedance is 100k)
Headphones: 1/4 stereo phone jack, output
S/PDIF: Optical, 24-bit, IEC60958, EIAJCP-1201, 48kHz or 96kHz
EXB-DI (optional ADAT** Output): ADAT format Output: 24-bit, 48kHz, 8-Channel; BNC Word Clock In

Inputs 1 & 2 XLR-1/4 phone combi jacks (balanced), MIC/LINE switches, level control knobs, phantom power switches
Inputs 3 & 4 1/4 phone jacks (unbalanced)
S/PDIF Optical, 24-bit

Other I/O Control

Damper pedal (half damper supported), assignable switch, assignable pedal
MIDI: In, Out, Thru
USB: Four high-speed USB 2.0 A connectors (for external USB devices)

Disk Drives Hard Drive 40GB HDD (2.5)
Optical CD-R/RW

Dimensions OASYS (76-key) 49.84 (W) x 19.06 (D) x 5.31
OASYS (88-key) 57.40 x 19.06 (D) x 5.31

Weight OASYS (76-key) 56.44 lbs
OASYS (88-key) 70.99 lbs


This is it. Oasys is the future, if you will be able to hack it.

Tery are going backwards.

HACKORG IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.


Jedi Simon
Jedi Simon

Kronos X specs complete, as Oasys specs where complete.

Post by Jedi Simon »

[System]

System: Kronos System Version 2.0

Keyboard:

88-key: RH3 (Real Weighted Hammer Action 3)
73-key: RH3 (Real Weighted Hammer Action 3)
61-key: Natural Touch Semi Weighted

[Tone Generator]

Synthesis Types: 9
SGX-1 Premium Piano (Acoustic Piano)
EP-1 MDS Electric Piano (Electric Piano)
HD-1 High Definition Synthesizer (PCM Virtual Memory Technology)
AL-1 Analog Synthesizer (Analog Modeling)
CX-3 Tonewheel Organ (Tonewheel Organ Modeling)
STR-1 Plucked String (Physical Modeling)
MOD-7 Waveshaping VPM Synthesizer (VPM Synthesis)
MS-20EX (CMT Analog Modeling)
PolysixEX (CMT Analog Modeling)
Maximum Polyphony*1*2:
SGX-1: 100 voices*3
EP-1: 104 voices
HD-1: 140 voices
AL-1: 80 voices
CX-3: 200 voices
STR-1: 40 voices
MOD-7: 52 voices
MS-20EX: 40 voices
PolysixEX: 180 voices

*A portion of the multicore processor in KRONOS is devoted to generating voices, and a separate portion is devoted to generating effects. KRONOS dynamically allocates the voice processing power between the engines as necessary. The quoted maximum numbers of voices apply when 100% of the voice processing power is devoted to a single engine.
*2 In rare cases, when a large number of processor-intensive effects are active simultaneously (for instance, more than 14 O-Verbs), polyphony may be slightly reduced.
*3 100 dual-stereo notes (It corresponds to 400 voices in the maximum.)

Number of Programs/Combinations/Drumkits:

2,560 user memory programs
(1,536 [768 HD-1+768 EXi] come preloaded)

1,792 user memory combinations
(480 come preloaded)

264 user memory drumkits
(78 come preloaded)

256 GM Level2 preset programs+ 9 GM Level2 drum preset programs

Preset PCM:

314 MB (ROM 1,505 multisamples, 1388 drum samples)

Build-in Expansion PCM Libraries:

EXs1 - ROM Expansion

EXs2 - Concert Grand Piano

EXs3 - Brass & Woodwinds

EXs4 - Vintage Keyboards

EXs5 - ROM Expansion 2

EXs6 - SGX-1 German D Piano

EXs7 - SGX-1 Japanese C Piano

EXs8 - Rock Ambience Drums

EXs9 – Jazz Ambience Drums

Capacity of PCM RAM:

Approx. 2 GB*4

*4 The memory available for RAM samples will change based on the use of Expansion PCM libraries. About 1,129 MB is available when shipped from the factory (when loading the file named “PRELOAD.KSC”).

Wave Sequences:

598 user memory, 165

[SGX-1 Program]

Premium Piano:

PCM:

EXs6 - SGX-1 German D Piano

EXs7 - SGX-1 Japanese C Piano

EXs12 - SGX-1 Austrian Piano (Option Sound Libraries, DEMO Version is pre-installed)

Piano Type:

32

Oscillator Control:

Damper Resonance, Damper Noise, Mechanical Noise, Note Release

[EP-1 Program]

MDS Electric Piano:

Tine and reed-type electric pianos powered by Multi-Dimensional Synthesis (MDS), and vintage effects.

Electric Piano Model Types: 6

Tine EP I, Tine EP II, Tone EP V, Tine EP DMP, Reed EP200, Reed EP200A

Oscillator Control:

Harmonic Sound Level, Attack Noise, Level, Release Noise Level, Attack Brightness, Hammer Width

Panel Control:

Tine Type: Preamp Volume, Tone (Treble, Bass), Vibrate (On/Off, Intensity, Speed), Amp/Cabinet (On/Off, Drive)*5

Reed Type: Preamp Volume, Tone (Treble, Bass), Vibrate (Intensity, Speed), Amp/Cabinet (On/Off, Drive)*5

*5 Each electric piano type has own amp/cabinet character.

Effect Types: 9

Small Phase, Orange Phase, Clack Phase, Vintage Chorus, Black Chorus, EP Chorus, Vintage
Flanger, Red Comp, VOX Wah

[HD-1 Program]

Advanced Vector Synthesis:

Control oscillator volumes and synthesis & effects parameters via the Vector Joystick and the tempo-synchronized Vector Envelope.

Structure:

Single: only OSC1, Double: OSC1 and OSC2.

Double mode lets you layer two completely separate synth voices, each with their own velocity-switched oscillator, dual filter, EGs, LFOs, etc.

Two completely separate drumkits.

Oscillators:

8 velocity zones per oscillator, with switching, crossfades and layering

Each zone can play mono or stereo Multisamples or Wave Sequences

Filters:

Two multi-mode filters per voices (low-pass, high-pass, band-pass and band-reject),

Four-mode filter routings (single, serial, parallel and 24dB mode)

Driver:

Per voice non-linear driver and low boost circuit

EQ:

Three bands, with sweepable mid

Modulation:

Three envelope generators, two LFOs per voice, common LFO, four key tracking generators, AMS (Alternate Modulation Source), two AMS mixers

[EXi Program Common]

Advanced Vector Synthesis:

Control oscillator volumes and synthesis & effects parameters via the Vector Joystick and the tempo-synchronized Vector Envelope.

Modulation:

Common Step Sequencer, AMS (Alternate Modulation Source), Common LFO,

2 Key Tracking Generators

EQ:

Three bands, with sweep-able mid

[AL-1 Program]

Oscillators:

Ultra-low-aliasing oscillators

OSC1, OSC2, Sub-oscillator and noise generator; ring modulation, FM and Sync

Audio Input:

Run real-time audio through the synthesis engine

Filters:

Two multi-mode filter (low-pass, high-pass, band-pass and band-reject) with four types of filter routings (single, serial, parallel and 24dB mode), MultiFilter mode (only Filter-A; modulatable mix of Low Pass, High Pass, Band Pass, and dry input, for creating a wide variety of unique filter types and effects)

Driver:

Per-voice non-linear driver and low boost circuit

Modulation:

Five Envelope generators, four per-voice LFOs, two AMS Mixers;

Per-voice Step Sequencer.

[CX-3 Program]

Tonewheel Organ Modeling:

Phase-synchronous tonewheels (clean and vintage modes), percussion, key click, wheel brake

EX Mode:

Four additional, user-specified drawbars, and expanded percussion.

Internal Effects:

Rotary speaker, vibrato/chorus, amp modeling with overdrive, 3-band EQ

Drawbar Control:

Controlled via nine front-panel sliders (via Tone Adjust)

Split:

Upper, Lower (even in EX mode)

Modulation:

Two AMS mixers

[STR-1 Program]

Physically Modeled String:
Includes physically modeled damping, decay, dispersion, nonlinearity, harmonics, dual pickups, and more

String Excitation:
Three independent excitation sources can be used simultaneously: Pluck, Noise, and PCM. 16 preset “pluck” types, with modulatable width and randomization. Noise generator with saturation and dedicated lowpass filter
PCM Oscillator:
Korg’s ultra-low-aliasing technology, as introduced in the HD-1; 4 velocity zones per oscillator; Uses any mono ROM, EXs, or RAM multisamples; PCM can either be used as an excitation signal, or layered with the output of the string.
Excitation Filter:
Dedicated 2-pole multimode filter for shaping the string excitation; Filter can be enabled/disabled separately for each excitation source. Low Pass, High Pass, Band Pass, and Band Reject modes

Audio Input and Feedback:
Run real-time audio through the string, including feedback through effects. Modeled feedback includes modulate-able instrument-to-amp distance and orientation.

Filters:
Dual multi-mode filters per voice; Single, Serial, Parallel (with split stereo output), and 24dB (4-pole) configurations. Low Pass, High Pass, and Band Reject modes

Multi Filter mode (Filter A only):
Modulatable mix of Low Pass, High Pass, Band Pass, and dry input, for creating a wide variety of unique filter types and effects

Modulation:
5 Envelopes, 4 per-voice LFOs, 2 Key Track generators, String Tracking generators, 4 AMS Mixers.



[MOD-7 Program]

Waveshaping VPM Synthesizer:

Combines Variable Phase Modulation (VPM), waveshaping ring modulation, PCM sample playback, and subtractive synthesis; Able to convert-load SYX files.

Oscillators:

6 VPM/Waveshaper/Ring Modulation Oscillators:

Phase and modulatable pitch per oscillator; 101 Waveshaper tables plus modulatable Drive and Offset; Use as oscillators, or as Waveshapers or Ring Modulators for other signals.

PCM Oscillator:

Korg’s ultra-low-aliasing technology, as introduced in the HD-1. 4 velocity zones per oscillator; Uses any mono ROM, EXs, or RAM multisamples; PCM can be used as an FM modulator and/or layered with the VPM Oscillators. Noise generator with saturation and dedicated low pass filter.

Audio input:

Run real-time audio through the VPM Oscillators and filters.

Filters:

Dual multi-mode filters per voice. Parallel and 24 dB (4-Pole) configurations; Low Pass, High Pass, Band Pass, and Band Reject modes

Multi Filter mode (Filter A only):

Modulatable mix of Low Pass, High Pass, Band Pass, and dry input, for creating a wide variety of unique filter types and effects

Patch Panel:

Supports both algorithm (78 types) selection and free patching; Three 2-in, 1-out mixers for scaling and merging audio, fully modulatable, with phase inversion. Main 6-input stereo mixer, with modulatable pan and volume, plus phase inversion

Modulation:

10 Envelopes, 4 per-voice LFOs, 9 Key Tracking generators, Per-voice Step Sequencer, 4 standard AMS Mixers plus 4 simple AMS Mixers.

[MS-20EX Program]

Oscillators:

Ultra-low-aliasing oscillators; VCO1, VCO2, Ring Mod, Pink and White Noise Generator

Audio Input:

Run real-time audio through the synthesis engine and ESP (External Signal Processor)

Filters:

12dB/octave High Pass and Low Pass self-resonant filters

ESP section:
24dB/octave Low Cut and High Cut filters, available per voice.

Patch Panel:

Patchable audio and modulation, at audio rates

Patch Points:

Keyboard:
Keyboard CV Out, Keyboard Trigger Out, VCO1+VCO2 CV In, VCO2 CV In

VCO:
VCO1+VCO2 External Frequency Control In, VCO1 Out, VCO2 Out

VCF:
External Signal In, External HP Filter Cutoff Frequency Control In, External LP Filter Cutoff Frequency Control In, HPF Out, LPF In, LPF Out

VCO+VCF:
Total External Modulation In

VCA:
External Initial Gain Control In, VCA In

EG:
EG1 Envelope Signal Normal Out, EG1 Envelope Signal Reverse Out, EG1+EG2 Trigger In, EG1 Trigger In, EG2 Envelope Signal Reverse Out

MG:
Triangle Out, Rectangle Out

Noise Generator:
Pink Noise Out, White Noise Out

Sample and Hold:
Clock Trigger In, Sample Signal In, S/H Out

Modulation VCA:
Control Voltage In, Signal In, Signal Out

Manual Controller:
Control Wheel Out, Momentary Switch

ESP:
Signal In, AMP Out, BPF In, BPF Out, F-V CV Out, Envelope Out, Trigger Out

Others:
EXi Audio In, Mixer 1 In, Mixer 1 Out, Mixer 2 In, Mixer 2 Out

ESP (External Signal Processor):

Use incoming audio as a trigger and/or CV source.

Modulation:

Original DAR and HADSR EGs 1 & 2, original MG (with MIDI sync), Sample-and- Hold, MVCA; 4 additional multi-stage Envelopes, 4 additional per-voice LFOs, and 4 AMS Mixers

[PolysixEX Program]

Oscillators:

VCO:
Saw, Pulse, PWM

Sub Oscillator:
Off, 1 octave below, 2 octaves below

Filter:

24dB/octave Low Pass self-resonant filter

Effects:

Integrated Polysix Chorus, Phase, and Ensemble



Arpeggiator:

Integrated MIDI-synced arpeggiator, with adjustable Range, Mode, and Latch

Modulation:

Original ADSR EG and MG (with MIDI sync), 2 additional multi-stage Envelopes, 2 additional per-voice LFOs, and 4 AMS Mixers

[Combination]

Number of Timbres:

16 Maximum

Master Keyboard Functionality:

Keyboard and velocity splits, layers, and crossfades of up to 16 Programs and/or external MIDI devices

Advanced Vector Synthesis:

Control oscillator volumes and synthesis & effects parameters via the Vector Joystick and the tempo-synchronized Vector Envelope.

[Drumkit]

System:

Assignable stereo/mono samples with 8 velocity zones per oscillator (with crossfade functions)

[Sampling]

System:

Open Sampling System (resampling, In-Track sampling)

Bit Depth/Sampling Frequency:

RAM: 16-bit/48 kHz stereo/mono sampling

DISK: 16 or 24-bit/48 kHz stereo/mono sampling

Sampling Time:

RAM: Depends on the amount of availale PCM RAM

DISK: Maximum 80 minutes stereo (879 MB: 16-Bit)

Sample Locations:

16,000 samples/4,000 multisamples (128 indexes per multisample)

Ripping:

Direct sampling (ripping) from audio CD (CD-DA)

Formats:

Korg format, AKAI S1000/S3000 data (with advanced Program parameter conversion); SoundFont 2.0, AIFF, and WAVE formats

Editing:

Time Stretch, Time Slice, Crossfade Loop, and other standard editing features.

[Effects]

Insert Effects: 12

Stereo in / stereo out

Master Effects: 2

Stereo in / stereo out

Total Effects: 2

Stereo in / stereo out

Timbre EQ:

High, low, and mid band

Effect Types: 185

Modulation:

Dynamic Modulation and Common LFO

Effects Control Busses:

Two stereo side chains

Effect Presets: 783

Maximum 32 per 1 effect (Preset User)

[KARMA]


KARMA Modules:

One module in Program mode, four modules in Combination and Sequencer modes

Generated Effects (GE):

2,048 presets, 1,536 Users (96 come Preload)

Controllers:

On/Off, Latch, Chord, Assign, Module, Control, KARMA Realtime Control Sliders [1] – [8], KARMA Scene [1] – [8], KARMA Switches [1] – [8], KARMA Wave-Sequencing, GE Sub Category, Freeze Randomize, Time Signature Control, Tempo Synchronize, Auto RTC (Real Time Control) setup

[Drum Track]

Drum Track Patterns:

697 preset (common with the preset patterns of the MIDI sequencer)

[Sequencer/HDR]

Tracks:

16-track MIDI sequencer + 16-track hard disk recorder + master track.

Number of Songs:

200 songs

Resolution:

1/480

Tempo:

40.00 – 300.00 (1/100 BPM resolution)

Maximum memory:

400,000 MIDI events
or 300,000 audio events

MIDI Tracks:

16 tracks plus the master track
697 preset/100 user patterns (per song)
18 preset/16 user template songs,

Format:

Korg (Kronos, OASYS) format, SMF formats 0 and 1.

Audio Tracks:

16-track playback, 4-track simultaneous recording, WAV file format 16bit/24bit.

Maximum single-file recording time (mono):

80 minutes

Automation:

Volume, Pan, EQ, and Send1/2; 5,000 regions (max.), Event Anchors, BPM Adjust

RPPR (Realtime Pattern Play and Record):

1 Pattern set per song.

[General]

Disk Mode:

Load, save, utility, audio CD burning, audio CD playback, data filer function (save/load MIDI System Exclusive data), CD-R/RW (UDF format read/write), ISO9660 Level 1. *6

*6 Need to use with External USB CD Drive, etc.

Controllers:

Vector joystick, joystick, ribbon controller, switches 1 & 2

Control Surface:
Control Assign Switches:
Assigns the Control Surface to Timber/Track, Audio, External, Realtime Knobs/KARMA, or Tone Adjust.

Mixer Knobs Switch:
Assigns the Mixer Knobs to either Channel Strip or Individual Pan, Reset Control Switch, Solo Switch, Knobs 1-8, Switches 1-8 (Upper Row), Switches 1-8 (Lower Row), Sliders 1-8, Master Slider

KARMA Control:
On/Off, Latch, Chord Assign, module Control

Display:
TouchView graphical user interface, 8 inch TFT, SVGA (800x600 dots), adjustable brightness

Outputs:
L/MONO, R:
1/4” Balanced; 350 ohms Stereo; 175 ohms Mono (L/MONO Only), Nominal Level: +4.0 dBu, Maximum Level: +16.0 dBu (when load impedance is 600 ohms or greater)

Individual 1-4:
1/4” Balanced; 350 ohms Stereo; 175 ohms Mono, Nominal Level: +4.0 dBu, Maximum Level: +16.0 dBu (when load impedance is 600 ohms or greater)

Headphones:
1/4” stereo phone jack, output impedance: 33 ohms, Maximum Level: 60+60 mW (when load impedance is 33 ohms),

S/P DIF:
Optical, 24-bit, IEC60958, EIAJCP-1201, 48 kHz, (the same signals as L/MONO, R)

USB-B:
24-bit, 48 kHz, 2 channels (the same signals as L/MONO, R)

Inputs:
Audio Inputs 1 and 2:

1/4” Balanced; Input Impedance: 10 kohms, Nominal Level: +4.0 dBu, Maximum Level: +16 dBu,Source Impedance: 600 ohms, S/N: 95 dB (Typical), Dynamic Range: 95 dB (Typical), Crosstalk: 95 dB (at 1 kHz, Typical)

S/P DIF:
Optical, 24-bit, IEC60958, EIAJCP-1201, 48 kHz

USB-B:
24-bit, 48 kHz, 2 channels

Control Inputs:
Damper pedal (half damper supported), assignable switch, assignable pedal

MIDI:
In, Out, Thru

USB:
USB A (TYPE A) x 2 (for connection to external USB devices)

USB B (TYPE B) x 1 (MIDI/audio interface, MIDI: 1(16ch) input / 1(16ch) output, Audio: 2 channel input / 2 channel output)

2 USB high-speed ports (supports 480Mbps)

Principal Specifications:

Frequency Response:
20Hz-22kHz, +/-1.0 dB, 10k Ohms load

THD+N:
20Hz-22kHz, 0.01%, 10k Ohms load (typical)

S/N:
95 dB (typical)

Dynamic Range:
95 dB (typical)

Crosstalk:
95 dB, at 1 kHz (typical)

Disk Drives:
62 GB SSD (2.5”)

Power Consumption:
60 W

Dimensions: (W x D x H)

88-key: 57.28” x 16.18” x 5.71”
1,455 x 411 x 145 mm

73-key: 48.94” x 16.18” x 5.71”
1,243 x 411 x 145 mm

61-key: 41.42” x 14.25” x 5.28”
1,052 x 362 x 134 mm

Weight:
88-key: 50.71 lbs. / 23.0 kg

73-key: 44.75 lbs. / 20.3 kg

61-key: 27.56 lbs. / 12.5 kg

Accessories:
AC cord, Quick Start Guide, Accessory DVD Disc 1, 2 (DVDs include Kronos Operation Guide, Parameter Guide, and Voice Name List PDF files; Video Manual; KORG USB-MIDI Driver; System Restore Data, etc.)



So this is the difference between the two different architectures.

One is an OPEN one, the other it said so, but never was, and concernig sounds of course, you could put anything you want in a workstation of the third kind, and it would play it up to it's maxium possibilities.

And this has nothing to do with progress and technology, but with courage, and the wish to sell and give the opportunity to musicians and artists to reach the highest levels possible in creativity or not.

The jo jo game, as I call it. Canon has been hacked. Hackon was the consequence. I guess this is what is going to happen next.

Take care.
Jedi Simon

And now Neko XXL SPECS just in case... by Jedi Simon

Post by Jedi Simon »

A full music studio to go, with 61-keys, external keyboard, 15" LCD touchscreen, software, and more.

61-key semi-weighted synth action keyboard (World-class Fatar Technology)
Control Surfaces: Pitch Bend and Modulation Wheels, Trackpad with 2 Buttons, External Keyboard ("QWERTY") Module, Assignable Alpha II Control Module (5 Faders and 5 Modes Buttons, 3 Transpose Buttons, 5 Direction Buttons and 5 Transport Buttons)
High Speed Dual-Layer 8.5GB/Disk CD and DVD Burner
Internal 15" color touchscreen LCD high-resolution (1024 x 768), external video port for running dual monitors or a video projector

Included software
Open Labs RiFF virtual instrument host
Open Labs Karsyn V1.6 independent host for all of your PC-based Virtual Instruments (VST)
4Front Technology Truepianos provides the real feeling of an acoustic piano
Wusik Wusikstation V3: powerful advanced hybrid vector & wave-sequencer sampler virtual instrument
Lenna Digital Sylenth virtual analog synthesizer with over 700 presets
Reaper DAW with unlimited tracks that records audio-MIDI and integrates all of your Karsyn presets in an easy-to-use, drag-and-drop format

Also included:
Ableton Live 7
GURU
Livid Cell
Acronus OEM
Chicken Systems Format Converter
Digital Sound Factory Proteus 2000
Digital Sound Factory MoPhat
Digital Sound Factory Virtuoso
Dimension LE
Mr Porter sounds

New V5 Sound Library Software:
Software: Microsoft Windows XP Home, Open Labs Custom GUI (Graphic User Interface), Open Labs Karsyn V1.6, Open Labs Riff, Open Labs MimiK, PC Angel

PREMIUM Factory Sound Library V5: Accordion, Addictive Drums, Artphase, EVM Bassline, EVM Ultrasonique, BB303i, Blood Bucket, Crystal, Cubix, Highlife, Lallapallooza Lite, MDA DX10, MDA JX10, Microsynt, Mini Erhu, Minimal, Monolisa, Motion, Mr. Alias, Mr. Ray 22, Mr. Ray 73, Mr. Tramp, Nanotron 2, Organized Trio, Phadiz, Plugsound Free, Protoplasm 21, RealGuitar, Rez, Rogue, String Synth, String Theory, STS-26, Super Spook Keys, Synth 1, Tiki Clav

Included Accessories:
Power cable
Quick Start guide
Allen wrench

Open Labs NeKo XXL Portable Keyboard Workstation
With a 15" touchscreen, 61 keys, integrated QWERTY keyboard, and optimized Windows OS, NeKo XXL is an entirely new class of multimedia instrument. This portable media production station was specifically designed with keyboard playability, fusing both worlds of studio engineering and live performance effortlessly.

The Open Labs NeKo XXL's optimized Windows OS natively supports virtually any music application or plug-in developed for a PC. From Pro Tools to Nuendo, Native Instruments Komplete to Spectrasonics Omnisphere, NeKo LX5 does it all with ease.

This Gen5 NeKo XXL is equipped with the Bump MP integrated drum module, designed to allow the user to create beats and trigger any sound, loop, or sample in real time. Enhanced with a special Open Labs version of Guru from FXpansion, key features of the Bump MP include: (16 plus 1) fully assignable pads, note repeat, max level, fixed level fader, transport controls, chromatic mode, hold, pad tune, multiple groove preset, and eight engines with 24 presets per engine.

This special keyboard workstation is also equipped with the Open Labs Mix/Edit controller. The mixer section consists of multiple fully assignable controls including: (8) encoders, (8) lighted buttons, (8) faders, (4 X 4) banks (total of 128 channels), and (1) master volume fader. The edit section consists of multiple, fully assignable controls including: (8) encoders, (1) LCD display (for encoders), (4) buttons, and (4) banks (total of 32 control parameters).

Exclusive to the Gen5 Open Labs NeKo XXL is the redesigned, fully mappable Alpha II Panel, which allows the user to control any parameter they desire, and two phantom-powered preamps in addition to the eight I/Os. A full version of the multiple award-winning Ableton Live 7 is also included for the first time in the XXL's history.

NeKo XXL is full of relevant and compelling sounds like Open Labs' The Master's Series Library produced by multi-platinum producer Mr. Porter (Denaun Porter), as well as Open Labs' own V5 sound, sample, and loop library.

Part of the included software package, Open Labs Riff is an entirely new concept in virtual instrument hosting. Written from the ground up by Open Labs, Riff encompasses over 6 years of live performance and studio production knowledge gathered from some of the world's top artists, engineers, composers, and producers. Its advanced features include Live Controls which allows the user to create any number of virtual controls in real time that can be mapped to various effects and other parameters. Advanced intelligence allows any number of virtual controllers to manipulate any number of other virtual controllers, providing automation for virtual instruments and effects. Rewire allows for this powerful host application to be used within any DAW program.

Open Labs instruments are equipped with FireWire, USB, PCI EXPRESS and an Ethernet port, allowing access to the Internet via a broadband connection. Open Labs' tech support can log-in to your system, and their online technicians can remotely view and diagnose any issue—while you are still in your own studio.

Included in the NeKo XXL's arsenal is over 200 world-class virtual instruments and effects, as well as over 20,000 presets with virtually unlimited capability for third party plug-ins and applications.

Order today with the no-risk assurance of our Total Satisfaction and Low Price Guarantees!

CPU: 2.5 GHz Core2Quad
Memory: 4GB RAM
Storage: 4TB
Expansion Slots: (1) 5.25" Dual-Layer DVD-RW burner (8.5GB/disc)
Audio I/O:
(1) High Performance Audio I/O Card with Low Latency including 24-bit/96kHz professional 10-in/10-out: (2) mic/instrument preamp inputs (with Phantom Power 48V), (8) analog line inputs, (10) analog line outputs, S/PDIF digital I/O (coaxial), (1) Headphone Jack with Volume Control
Connection: MIDI In/Out, 1) Sustain and (1) Expression ports, 2) USB 2.0 ports, (1) FireWire 400 port, (1) Gigabit (10/100/1000) Ethernet port
Power Supply: 500+ Watt power supply, whisper quiet cooling fans (internal chassis, processor & power supply)
Dimensions: 46"W X 20"D X 7"H
Weight: 46lb.


This creature exists.

See what I mean when I say that Korg did not have the courage to go Open. These are the simple facts.

30 giga vs 4 TB OH MY GOD
Compare anything you want, and you will see the difference.
It's not as nice, but OPEN LABS thought about creating something up to date. Now, just tell me if the Korg workstations don't look obsolete compared to this product.

The day kORG will use this hardware, I believe that they will ask for IT something like 10.000 to 20.000 dollars. Neko costs 6000 dollars, and it's worth 60.000 dollars plug ins.

Got the picture?
Jedi Simon

Neko is a 2007 workstation, now you have it.

Post by Jedi Simon »

So you are 6 Years late. Just imagine...
What was Korg doing 6 years ago?
That's it.
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What is your native language?
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Post by Vlad_77 »

I was looking at the following and wonder if it is "obsolete":

88 note polyphony
1 patch
No sampling
No sequencer
Has only damper, sostenuto, sustain
No effects internally apart from sympathetic resonance; others must be applied if desired externally

Used by artists such as Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Sibelius, Rachmaninov, Gershwin, Schubert, Porter, McCartney and many more as their primary composition tool.

The instrument is approximately 400 years old.

;)
Current gear: Kronos, Jupiter 80, Kurzweil PC3,Roland Fantom X8, Roland XV-88 (yep, its old, but the ACTION is heaven and those XV-3080 sounds are still wonderful for me), Radias-R, Motif ES (yeah it's older but I love the guitars ;) )
Jedi Simon

Kronos in reality is the true Blue Bomber Oasys prototype.

Post by Jedi Simon »

So, here we are.

This is the true story by Michael Lauer, that made the research, so I will just tell you the basic facts.

I shall go back to 1994, and if you have a few minutes i will clear out what this is all about.

This page is a tribute to the KORG OASYS project — a truly revolutionary synthesizer concept which due to a lot of sad coincidences never saw the light of day (at least in the originally developed version. I’m very well aware that there is a KORG OASYS since 2005).

The “Blue Bomber” hardware prototype.

Korg OASYS Blue Bomber Prototype
A Summary of OASYS features — based on a KORG press release from 1994

Custom, high-performance Digital Signal Processor (DSP) system

High-performance custom DSPs, designed specifically for OASYS(R) deliver an unprecedented amount of synthesis power and flexibility. This power and flexibility frees synthesis algorithms from their traditional hardware-based limitations, and makes open-architecture, software-based synthesis possible.
Software-based synthesis

OASYS(R) creates its synthesis and effects in software, not in hardware. This is the basic concept behind all of the OASYS(R) features.
Supports many different types of synthesis

OASYS(R) supports all available synthesis technologies, currently including physical modeling, additive synthesis, FM, true analog simulations, stereo sample playback, vector synthesis, and wave sequencing. New synthesis techniques will be created in the future; sound designers will be able to build algorithms which use these techniques, and OASYS(R) will be able to play those sounds.
Advanced, polyphonic physical modeling

OASYS(R) includes advanced, polyphonic physical modeling synthesis algorithms. Instead of relying on a single, generic “physical modeling” algorithm, OASYS(R) makes it possible to use many different algorithms, each designed for a specific acoustic or electro-mechanical instrument.
Disk loaded, RAM-based algorithms

Synthesis and effects algorithms are loaded from disk, so that as sound designers create new algorithms, they can be distributed quickly and cost-effectively. There is no fixed set of ROM algorithms; all algorithms are stored in RAM. New algorithms don’t require upgrades to the operating system, even if they use completely new synthesis techniques. Sounds and effects load their own algorithms automatically, for instant, transparent upgrades.
Uncompromised, fully professional sound

OASYS(R) is simply the most flexible synthesis platform ever developed. Sound designers can custom-build completely different algorithms for each sound, free from the constraints of preset architectures. This unprecedented flexibility allows sound designers to choose-and create the best possible method for making a particular sound, and fine-tune its timbre and response to the player to degrees impossible on any other instrument. 20-bit 48kHz, 128-times oversampling D/A converters on all 8 outputs deliver the OASYS(R) sound with total clarity. Professional musicians will appreciate the unparalleled quality of OASYS(R)
Touch-screen and graphical interface

OASYS(R) features Korg’s new, intuitive TouchView(TM) graphical user interface.

Expressive Controllers

In addition to its 76-key, after/ouch-sensitive keyboard, OASYS(R) provides sophisticated controllers for unprecedented expressiveness, including a pressure-sensitive ribbon controller, breath controller input, modulation joystick with both normal and vector modes, and more.

The OASYS(R) system

The OASYS(R) system is a patented

(U.S. patent number 5,376,752),
( finally some interesting data )
I bet you did not know this information. So take a look and find out by yourself.

multiple digital signal processor (DSP) architecture, with the entire system clocking in at over 900 million instructions per second. This incredible processing power makes possible the revolutionary breakthrough of OASYS(R) open architecture, software-based synthesis. Instead of using dedicated hardware to produce oscillators, filters, and other synthesis elements, OASYS(R) uses software to construct them out of DSP resources. You can think of these DSP resources as tiny building blocks, like the components which make up electronic circuits; put together one way, they create an LFO; put together another way, and they make an EQ an oscillator, a reverb, or an envelope. Other instruments have been partially based on software technology, but they’ve always been constrained by more or less fixed architectures: a fixed number of voices of polyphony, limited amounts of power for filters or other processing, predetermined basic signal paths, and most importantly, a fixed number of synthesis algorithms (usually, only one). This is where the OASYS(R) open architecture comes in. OASYS(R) has no pre-defined oscillators, filters, envelopes, LFO’s, or other synthesis elements; no fixed signal paths; and no preset number of voices. Instead, each voice or effect uses DSP building blocks to create all the elements that it needs, and then connects them together, with complete freedom, to form an algorithm (just like making patches on old-fashioned modular synthesizers-except that OASYS(R) has a lot more blocks to work with). This means that each different program or effect can have its own algorithm, if necessary, specifically tailored to its needs. Since each voice can build its own algorithm, OASYS(R) creates sound using any synthesis technology available, including physical modeling, additive synthesis, FM, analog simulations, stereo sample playback, vector synthesis, wave sequencing, and more. Different synthesis techniques can be used alone or in combination with each other; for instance, you can layer a physically modeled guitar with FM bells and an analog pad. Synthesis and effects algorithms are loaded into RAM from floppy disks or SCSI, just like program data and samples; there is no fixed set of ROM algorithms. New algorithms don’t require upgrades to the operating system, even if they use completely new synthesis techniques. Instead, each program and effect carries with it the algorithms that it requires, so that OASYS(R) instantly, automatically upgrades itself every time a new sound is loaded!

Software-based synthesis evolution follows revolution

The difference between traditional, fixed-architecture synthesizers and OASYS(R) software-based synthesis is like the difference between a typewriter and a computer. A typewriter can do only the one, simple task that its hardware was designed to do: putting letters onto paper. A computer, on the other hand, can simultaneously run word processing, spreadsheet, graphics, and MIDI programs; and since those functions rely primarily on software, and not on hardware, completely new functionality can be added just by popping in a new disk. Similarly, OASYS(R) comes out of the box with capabilities far beyond those of a traditional synthesizer-but that’s just the beginning. Because its synthesis is based on software, and not on hardware, OASYS(R) can grow along with the state of the art. Since getting new algorithms is as simple as loading a new disk of sounds-in fact, it happens almost every time an OASYS(R) sound is loaded-OASYS(R) can and will feature new types of synthesis as they are discovered. OASYS(R) provides sound developers with the ultimate synthesis platform, for which they can design new algorithms to the precise requirements of a particular sound. Everyone knows that certain sounds are best suited to their own synthesis methods (analog synth bass, for instance, or FM electric pianos); whatever that best way of making the sound is, OASYS(R) will use it. Because OASYS(R) allows this no-compromise approach to sound development, Korg is able to provide musicians with the ultimate in sonic performance.

OASYS(R) the state of the art In physical modeling

Due to the OASYS(R) Open Architecture Synthesis System and enormous digital signal processing power, OASYS(R) is the world’s first polyphonic, multi-timbral physical modeling synthesizer with dynamic voice assignment. What is physical modeling synthesis? Physical modeling is a new synthesis technique, which creates sound using complex mathematical models of actual musical instruments. The prime advantage of physical modeling is its greatly enhanced expressiveness, especially when compared to sample playback. For instance, to capture the sound of an instrument with samples, one records static “snapshots” of the instrument played with different performance techniques-struck softly or loudly, played with full or muted tone, etc. Expressiveness is limited to switching or fading between these snapshots; smooth transitions between different states, such as a single note starting softly and building to overblowing, are difficult or impossible. With physical modeling, one begins by building a model of the instrument’s physical characteristics: whether it is a horn, a plucked string, a woodwind, a bowed string, etc.; the size of the instrument, the material that its strings are made of, the resonance of its soundboard, what sort of reed it uses, the shape of its bore, and so on. This model can then be played in a manner very similar to a real instrument, with smooth transitions in tone and character controlled by the subtlest gestures of the performer. When pitch bending on a guitar model, the bend resonates in the guitar’s soundboard; when doing an octave rip on a trumpet, the pitch settles naturally at the harmonics; when playing an electric piano, the timbre continuously varies from a soft, bell-like tone with a light touch to a hard, nasty growl when you dig into the keys. In addition to physical models of acoustic musical instruments, OASYS(R) features physical models of classic electronic and electro- mechanical musical instruments, such as analog synthesizers, Hammond(TM) organs, and tine and reed electric pianos. OASYS(R) analog synth models set new standards for a digital synthesizer; its DSP power generates incredibly punchy envelopes, oscillators with true pulse width modulation, multimode resonant filters, and modulation routings at audio rates. Last, but certainly not least, is perhaps the most exciting aspect of physical modeling: the creation of instruments that do not-or cannot-exist in the real world, and yet feel and play as if they were natural, genuine, and musical. This area leaves OASYS(R) plenty of room to grow into, and define, the future of synthesis.
TouchView(TM) Graphical User Interface

OASYS(R) uses Korg’s new TouchView(TM) graphical user interface system. TouchView(TM) uses a large LCD and touch-screen to present the user with an easy to use, intuitive graphical user interface. Instead of pressing an endless series of cursor keys to select a parameter, for instance, you just touch it on the screen. TouchView(TM) allows the user to easily navigate the exceptionally flexible sound and effects structures of OASYS(R) and allows easy upgrading as the OASYS(R) system evolves.
Specifications

OASYS(R) Open Architecture Synthesis System, allowing a virtually unlimited number of synthesis and effects algorithms. Supports physical modeling, additive synthesis, FM, analog simulations, stereo sample playback, vector synthesis, wave sequencing, and new technologies as they are discovered. TouchView(TM) graphical user interface. Built-in 1.44 Mb floppy disk and internal hard disk for storage of the operating system, synthesis algorithms, effects and samples. Built-in SCSI port for use with external hard drives, magneto-optical drives, and CD-ROM drives. 32 track multi-timbral with polyphonic dynamic voice allocation. Up to 112 voices of polyphony or 112 simultaneous effects (voices and effects share DSP resources; polyphony and number of effects will vary depending on the algorithms used). Up to 32 megabytes of sample RAM, using standard SIMMs. Custom-designed database for managing files on disk and in memory. Extensive MIDI master controller functions. 76 note keyboard with velocity and aftertouch sensitivity. Pressure-sensitive ribbon controller, modulation joystick (with normal and vector modes), an assignable slider, and 2 assignable buttons. Breath controller input, 2 continuous pedal inputs, 2 footswitch inputs. 24 bit internal processing. 20 bit, 128 times oversampling D/A converters at a 48kHz sample rate. 8 polyphonic analog outputs; balanced XLR main stereo outputs. 8 channel ADAT(TM) compatible digital optical output. OASYS and TouchView(TM) trademark of Korg Inc. and Korg U.S.A. ADAT(TM) a trademark of Alesis corporation. Hammond(TM) a trademark Hamond Suzuki Ltd.

A Comment from Dan Williams at Korg R&D — one of the OASYS(R) creators

Analog simulations is the closest match to emulations, so I’ll address that briefly. In this context, simulations means that the OASYS can discretely model analog synthesis methods, instead of merely running a sampled waveform through a filter. This allows real-time control of oscillator sync and pulse-width modulation, and audio-rate modulation (for incredibly punchy envelopes and fast lfo’s). The Nord Lead and the Korg Prophecy are other examples of dsp-based, analog-type synthesis. Since the OASYS features the unique ability to load new algorithms from disk, it will also be able to provide different envelope, oscillator, and filter types (such as minimoog envelopes, or SEM filters).

Remember that the OASYS will have no fixed set of algorithms, for either programs or effects. New algorithms are loaded every time that you load a sound. OASYS supports synthesis methods and effects algorithms by supporting over 70 atomic-level blocks, such as oscillators, filters, delays, envelopes, mixers, math functions, and so on. As long as an algorithm can be created by hooking those blocks together (using our Macintosh-based algorithm development tool, SynthKit), the OASYS will play it.

My personal disclaimer follows: Please note that the OASYS is *not* shipping yet. That means that you have to take everything that I say with a grain of salt. It also means that I’m *not* telling you to hold your breath and save your pennies. As with computers, the ultimate synth is always the *next* one, and you can’t make music with just a spec sheet in your hands.
Dan.

1996/3: Time passes by

The KORG OASYS was first introduced at the winter NAMM 1994, then at the Musikmesse Frankfurt 1995, several months later at the winter NAMM 1995 and again at the Musikmesse Frankfurt 1996. I heard that it is now scheduled to ship last quarter 1996, not for less than USD 10000. Well, let’s see…

Anyway, this architecture seems to be much more powerful than what the current Yamaha VP-1 can offer for a price, approximately 3 times higher. (Nearby: The Yamaha VP-1 shared the fate of the OASYS. There was no successor but partial concepts were used in later models like the AN1x and the FS1R).

1996/9: No OASYS

Several sources confirmed that Korg will NOT produce OASYS in its announced form. In the meantime, Korg has released portions of the OASYS concept in several products (Wavedrum, Prophecy, Trinity) and there are rumours that the DSP and algorithm portion of OASYS will be released as a software synthesizer PCI-card.
1995-1997: Byproducts

Korg has used part of the OASYS technologies in the mono synthesizer Prophecy (for instance some oscillator models including resonant filters - the first time in a KORG digital synthesizer since the analog DW series)

Several OASYS features (not including the oscillator side, but at least some resonant filters) were introduced with the Trinity Workstation … also known as M1 Version 3.0. For instance, the new user interface featuring the Touch Screen Display.On the german music fair 1997, Korg showed a prototype of their upcoming virtual synthesizer Z1, which is supposed to be released this year. It will include some of the algorithms which debuted in OASYS, but won’t allow you to create new algorithms.
1998: The Road goes on

Well, after all… the Z1 is shipping for quite a while now - but it does not really fulfill the promises that the OASYS has made 1994. It seems that the time for the OASYS concept has not come yet… be it due to the lack of good algorithms or the lack of processing power.

In the meantime, two outstanding products are shipping, which come closer to the OASYS synthesizer (albeit from different sides) than the current KORG synthesizers. The first one is the Clavia Nord Modular, the first virtual modular synthesizer. It is a great one. Be sure to check it out.

The second one is created by Creamware, which debuted with the TripleDat HD recording system. They have released the SCOPE audio card, which is a PCI card with 14 AnalogDevices SHARC DSPs and the PULSAR, a PCI card with 6 AnalogDevices SHARC DSPs. SCOPE and PULSAR are modular DSP workstations. While the SCOPE environment allows you to create complete new algorithm parts (for instance, new filters or new oscillators), the PULSAR only allows you to use these components in a modular way. But nevertheless, there’s a lot to play with.

As far as I can see now, the purpose of this page has become a bit obsolete since there is no sign of an OASYS concept successor manufactured by KORG. Therefore, it is most likely that I won’t update this page anymore. Maybe there will be a new page dealing with the components of the studio of the future… we’ll see…
1999/2: Odysseus?

And just when you think a file is closed, there are new rumours floating around… rumours that KORG will introduce a new synthesizer on the Frankfurt Musikmesse 1999 in March. A successor to the OASYS… that is… a synth which comes a bit nearer to the OASYS than all the derivates before. I heard someone dropping the name “Odysseus”. Sounds interesting, but — of course — no specs or pictures, just speculations based on rumours by someone who has a friend who heard something.
1999/3: No, Triton

KORG introduced the new TRITON on the Musikmesse 1999. An updated Trinity V3 with better sampling capabilities. IMHO just another boring variation on the subject workstation… ahh… I begin to hate this term. While it was fun to play with these things (I was really happy when I produced the first track with my M1… ages ago), nowadays, I don’t think there’s a feasible alternative to working with computer based sequencers.
1999/6: OASYS PCI Card

Did you read the 1996 part of this website ? It says: “Several sources confirmed that Korg will NOT produce OASYS in its announced form. In the meantime, Korg has released portions of the OASYS concept in several products like the Wavedrum, the Prophecy, the Trinity, and there are rumours that the DSP and algorithm portion of OASYS will be released as a software synthesizer PCI-card.

Yes indeed, it seems that my “good informed” sources either were fortune-tellers or insiders. Anyway, it has happened: On the Summer NAMM 1999 — five years after the initial press release of the KORG OASYS keyboard — three years after my insider-information about the PCI card — KORG announced the OASYS PCI card, a PCI 2.1 compliant tone generation card. Not that I’m excited though…
2004/3: Ten years after

It’s been five years since the last news on this page. The OASYS PCI card has not been a success in the market. In the meantime, KORG released yet another interesting byproduct of the OASYS concept — the KORG KARMA.
2004/9: Psssst…

Suddenly, after all this quietness, the codename OASYS starts floating around again… there is something in the pipeline!
2005: Congratulations, it’s a workstation

The KORG OASYS has been presented on NAMM 2005. Yes, it’s kind of cool. No, it’s not what we were waiting for since 1994. The third product with the name OASYS is a fully featured production studio… and it runs Linux!

Take a look at the design of the "Blue bomber". What does it look like?
Is ti the Oasys you know or does it look like the Kronos?

I believe that it took them 17 years to make OASYS, and that they lost quite a lot of money on the project, because Production of the OASYS was officially discontinued in April 2009. Korg sold just over 3000 units worldwide. The final software update was released on November 24, 2009, whilst tecnology was changing so rapidly, that they did not even consider that fact because they were too involved in their project.

So, that's why they are selling it now with another name.

I love the way Korgs sound, and I play them, compose, create and enjoy playing them, but nothing has really changed in the past years, according to the patent on which they are made.

I'm expecting something really new from Korg. This is what I am looking for, and sinsce the crisis many smaller companies evolved so rapidly that it will be difficult for Japan to run as fast as they do, if Korg does not go OPEN AND AIR.

So that's why I believe that Kronos is in fact the Blue Bomber.

Take care.

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I come from Asgaard. My mothertongue is Agarthian.

Jedi Simon





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Somehow I find myself entirely unsurprised by that answer.
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Jedi Simon,

I am not going to quote your series of novellas. I consider myself reasonably intelligent, but, no insult intended, I need to ask:

What is your point?

You write about Neko having thought about making something up to date. Perhaps you could answer this in non-Agarthian:

Let's forget that Kronos exists and that OASYS is Korg's flagship. What have the other three major manufacturers created that is more "up to date?"

The Fantom G? Nice workstation, but, for all intents and purposes the same synth engine as the Fantom S and X with more patches and a large sequencer.

The Motif XF? 744 MB of ROM and portable flash?

The Kurzweil PC3/K? Not really a full blown workstation since there is no user sampling, but, at least Kurzweil greatly expanded VAST so synthesis wise, the PC3 series for sound design outpowers Roland and Yamaha's efforts.

OASYS offers true FM, three VAs, physical modelling, a ROMpler on steroids. So what I fail to understand and here I am talking as a synthesist, what advances have OpenLabs and MusicComputing made that are more up to date synthesis wise? These instruments rely upon OTHER softsynth instruments.

I simply cannot imagine a sound that an expert sound designer could not create on OASYS given its rather powerful multiple synthesis structure.

I have not seen or heard any OASYS musicians dump their OASYS for a Neko or StudioBlade. Very few have even moved to Kronos. Remember that OpenLabs was around BEFORE Kronos. So, why wasn't there a massive sell off of the still highly re-saleable OASYS for OpenLabs?

Please understand that I am merely trying to understand what you are trying to say in your novellas. I am thick as a brick to coin a phrase, so please enlighten me?

Best,
Vlad

PS: As you can see by my current gear list, by your criteria, I am woefully out of date. Please don't tell the bands I am in?
Current gear: Kronos, Jupiter 80, Kurzweil PC3,Roland Fantom X8, Roland XV-88 (yep, its old, but the ACTION is heaven and those XV-3080 sounds are still wonderful for me), Radias-R, Motif ES (yeah it's older but I love the guitars ;) )
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Re: I wonder what will ever come along to surpass OASYS?

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Kevin Nolan wrote:Seven years on and every time I sit at the OASYS it's still an enigmatic experience. Nothing apart from my CS80 comes close to the experience of playing and composing on it.

It's not just the sound and all round capability of the beast, it's how stunning a control surface it possesses and how overwhelmingly classy the entire instrument is. It inspires in its own right.

I'm doing a few works on it currently, and as I was listened back to some work on it today, I paused to ponder what could possibly come along to surpass it in sonic capability AND ergonomics. That will be an astounding experience (alas for me Kronos, Motif or any of the others are just not in the same overall league).

Any thoughts....?
I don't see anything in the future that "could possibly come along to surpass it in sonic capability AND ergonomics", in the light of the current world economic situation and its probable future.

I just expect more cheap plastic toys, but no more heavy quality flagships.

Anyone who claims the Kronos to represent what you are wondering about, is obviously closing his eyes from reality... ;)

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