Nord Lead 4

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:09 pm

chilly7 wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:What I want to know is - can the filter envelope be inverted? If not, they suck balls.
Please do not use offensive language, awrybody is tied from that.
Thank u.

Make me.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:39 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
chilly7 wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:What I want to know is - can the filter envelope be inverted? If not, they suck balls.
Please do not use offensive language, awrybody is tied from that.
Thank u.
Make me.

excuse me?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:05 pm

Not my problem if you didn't understand the idiom I used.

Comrad_Durandal · Post by **Comrad_Durandal** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:41 pm

I just don't understand how Nord thinks their instruments are competitive with such a small note polyphony for their pianos. In the hands of talented musicians, they sound like incredible instruments but there just isn't all that many 'wiz-bang' features to bring the normal people in. Charging a grand more doesn't help either.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:22 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Not my problem if you didn't understand the idiom I used.

please be polity and do not use rude language because there are many childrens watching this forum including me.

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:21 am

Here is a 15minute demo via Sonic State

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2013/04/ ... exclusive/

Billy

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:08 am

Looking at all available sound demos so far, I'm sorry to say that this synth has an absoulutely flat plastic sound, without any character. I neither hear convincing analog VA charactistics, nor do I hear a clear cut digital character. Worst of both worlds instead of best of both worlds sonically?

Quite a pity despite some nice functionality, because I always liked Nord keyboards for various reasons.

Other huge drawbacks:
- a price close to an Access Virus TI2 (which is still significantly more advanced in functionality)
- the display (7 segment LED main display?) is simply a laughing stock for a synth with that functionality in that price range. Is Clavia seriously thinking that keyboarders will go on choosing sounds by numbers and work with paper notes to get by during a gig in 2013??? Incredible!
- no aftertouch like the KK (bad in both, but even worse in such an expensive board)

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:32 pm

chilly7 wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:Not my problem if you didn't understand the idiom I used.
please be polity and do not use rude language because there are many childrens watching this forum including me.

I will politely tell you - don't make me laugh.

And I will politely tell you again - what I said above quoted was not rude at all.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:50 pm

jimknopf wrote:Looking at all available sound demos so far, I'm sorry to say that this synth has an absoulutely flat plastic sound, without any character. I neither hear convincing analog VA charactistics, nor do I hear a clear cut digital character. Worst of both worlds instead of best of both worlds sonically?

Quite a pity despite some nice functionality, because I always liked Nord keyboards for various reasons.

Other huge drawbacks:
- a price close to an Access Virus TI2 (which is still significantly more advanced in functionality)
- the display (7 segment LED main display?) is simply a laughing stock for a synth with that functionality in that price range. Is Clavia seriously thinking that keyboarders will go on choosing sounds by numbers and work with paper notes to get by during a gig in 2013??? Incredible!
- no aftertouch like the KK (bad in both, but even worse in such an expensive board)

Totaly agree!!!

javaj · Post by **javaj** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:08 pm

In watching the Sonic State video on the new Nord Drum, the creator does give us an insight into Clavia. He says they are musicians that make the instruments. So, the question is, are others just too much musician then those at Clavia. I used to like the Nord- it was something to aspire to get. Yet, they seem to be releasing bare-minimum technology at a premium price- regardless of the quality that is built in them (by hand, I know, whatever). Maybe they keep commanding a high price because they know they have this premium appeal (aka Apple).

The cheap screen is really an issue for me. Even Korg can put a color touch screen in their Krome for a 1k 61key synth.

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:43 pm

javaj wrote:I. I used to like the Nord- it was something to aspire to get. Yet, they seem to be releasing bare-minimum technology at a premium price- regardless of the quality that is built in them (by hand, I know, whatever). Maybe they keep commanding a high price because they know they have this premium appeal (aka Apple).

The cheap screen is really an issue for me. Even Korg can put a color touch screen in their Krome for a 1k 61key synth.

I used to think that about most of their products,however I've owned my original Nord lead 1 for well over a decade,rock solid,never let me down and built like a tank case wise,been gigged with many times and always the synth I have used the most due to its simplicity to offer the quickest way of creatiing new sounds easily,it's perhaps not the most feature rich synth,and lack of fx put people off,but there's a reason why they are so popular amongst many keys players,they command a premium,not because of being hand built nor Clavia taking advantage of such,you either like them or hate them,but I think once you've seen the appeal its hard not to like them,I thought that about the Nord stage too that it was overpriced,until I laid my hands on one,now you can see not only the musicianship they put into their products but that there is a genuine passion about the instruments they produce not just a financial incentive and it comes across in both the beauty of the products and the usage,

one of the things I like about Nord,is that they don't hide behind this mask that most manufacturers do,of creating a new machine with samey technology and claim its totally new!!....the fact we are now on Nord Lead v 4 shows that they build on what's already there and better a product....well that's a matter of opinion,that I care to believe is true of them,whether people agree or not that its just revamping whats there is the individuals view,but they aren't hiding behind a front like the big Japanese companies do,from a avid user of their products,I applaud them for keeping a tradition going for musicianship not capitalism because whether you like Nord products or not they have evolved and have never tried to be something they are not.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:03 pm

Kontrol49 wrote: one of the things I like about Nord,is that they don't hide behind this mask that most manufacturers do,of creating a new machine with samey technology and claim its totally new!!....the fact we are now on Nord Lead v 4 shows that .

Are u shure what u saying?

At my opinion Nord Lead 4 is just rapacage of the same technology with a fwe addons which at my opinion could be addded even to the previouse model by OS update.

owex · Post by **owex** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:24 am

I watched the video... and i am not impressed. There are some really nice functions, but apart from that sounds are flat, as Jimknopf said. And I think that that's a shame that Nord4 doesn't have touchscreen, or even big, colour display. It is completly different than Korg synths, so there is no possibility to compare it to Kronos or any other korg product. But it is not good enough to get people buy it. This is my opinion, and I myself wouldn't buy it, even if I could

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:04 pm

I am not sure of these vids or sound samples. I generally reserve my final judgement until I have heard a lot of user sounds and vids or get to see it and hear it for myself.

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:43 am

owex wrote:I think that that's a shame that Nord4 doesn't have touchscreen, or even big, colour display. It is completly different than Korg synths, so there is no possibility to compare it to Kronos or any other korg product. But it is not good enough to get people buy it. This is my opinion, and I myself wouldn't buy it, even if I could

The thing with the nords is that you don't need a fancy display,the appeal of the Nord interface is that most main functions are accessible from the front panel almost a one knob per function,and everything else is accessible via a shift + button doubling up procedure,even on the higher priced end of the Nord Stage,you very rarely need the 2 line LCD except for the usual Global setting up,including a large colour display wouldn't make people flock to the Nords,as I said previously,you either get the Nords ideology or you don't,including a large screen on a workstation is fine when you've got perhaps a Zillion features but the Nords are about simplicity not gimmicky menu diving,give me a live panel anyday over a fancy touchscreen for gigs.

Introducing a two line LCD like on the NL3/NS2 would perhaps be welcomed on the newer generation of Nord leads to be able to display names as opposed to LED numbers,anything more and it's simply overkill on what the Nord lead synths are about and partly what's made them so popular,bringing over the Rotary LED encoders from the NL3 would be a welcome addition,but I suppose this ramps up prices,and the Nords already command a rather high price tag than what most people consider them worthy of feature wise against other manufacturers.

You only have to look at Korgs own King Korg to see that you can easily get by with what you need from a minimal display,especially when the critical operations are accessible from the front panel,the sound may not be to everyone's taste,but you can't get away from the fact Nord got it right with their synths interfaces,even if you dont perhaps like the Red cosmetics,and perhaps why they still use the same aesthetic approach since 1995,because as much as technology moves on,it works, even if you may think its outdated not using touchscreens,any synth player would find it hard to not like or interact with the Nord interface,it's the Nord sound that puts people off buying them,if you dont like the Nord sound its simply like rolling a turd in glitter adding a touchscreen