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Ofc it makes sense how can you complain about having more IFX and Mfx slots

simur wrote:

michelkeijzers wrote:

uriahsmusic wrote:Please make this.
A workstation for writers. Like kronos but easy. As for sounds just the basics Bass, guitar, piano electric piano, organ ,strings,horns, pads and drums. Give us 20 of each..that's it! Make it so writing is easy! sequence in sections like a drum machine..intro, verses ,chorus etc. Most importantly is no tweaking! If I go to program a5 and that's a piano with certain fx, that is what should record when I assign it to a track. Period! and if I assign 16 instruments all of them should not be compromised by fx limitations per song. Just do it! skip all of the stupid stuff that make a manual 200 pages and let me pick what I want, record it...and move on. You have ssd's and ram requirements that are astronomical, but cant just make a easily usable writing tool. Just explain UPFRONT...Korg listens to WRITERS and here it is!...Including audio was great by the way!

They are probably laughing but they'd better wise up before I MAKE IT!

I think what you are looking for is more like an arranger instead of a workstation/synthesizer.

I want to have full flexibility, I don't need a sequencer, I want a detailed 1000+ pages manual describing all details, I want tweaking.

It's not that I'm against your ideas ... but everyone has different ideas.

I think that a product that allows both is possible. It is a challenge but the product could be made to be used at different levels, ready to go for the songwriter but also deeply configurable and customizable for the sound designer, for example.

I think it is possible .. about tweaking patches: why don't you just keep 20 of each? You have 24 banks so if you fill the first 20 patches with your favorites you are ready.

SanderXpander wrote:Even at the Kronos XXX it won't happen. It just makes no sense conceptually. When you can use 1000IFX slots people will make patches with them just to see what will happen. Combine those into a combi and you have the same problem. Working within the limits and thinking about routing cleverly is the answer here. If you don't want to do that, a modern workstation is not the answer for you.

Completely true ... however, it would maybe help if there was some kind of ' priority' settings for effects ... that in each program you can define which effect should be 'lost' first when moving into a combi. Korg could even make an intelligent effects merger that combines more or less equal effects when multiple programs are copied to a combi. This is not easy ... I thought about it quite some time ago and it is no guarantee of course you will keep the same sound. If anyone has ideas: please let me know and I can try to build it into PCG Tools

Roland Fantom-G allows you to do what you want to conceptually, but there is a cost.

The cost is limitation in the program/patch mode. Fantom-G has total 16 IFXs, but in Program mode, you can use only 1 IFX. Roland opted for this design to deal with complaints as the OP has in this thread. It is a completely flawed design, IMHO. So, if you trick yourself and limit your programs to use only one IFX on KRONOS, you will have similar design.

The other synth that allows each track it's own effects is Access Virus I think.

The third option will be for you to get 16 KRONOS, 1 for each MIDI track.

In both cases you still have to mix the whole thing using same chorus and reverb.

What you don't understand is the difference between MIDI and Audio recording. What you really want is audio recording. Record each take of yourself playing in the program mode as audio into a DAW, like they do recordings in studio. When you record MIDI, you are only recording instructions and notes, like on a music sheet. You can playback that with any instrument.

KRONOS has the most flexible and most powerful effects processing among all workstations and synthesizers. You are forgetting each tracks has it's own EQ as well. Each IFX is actually an effects bus, meaning, you can route multiple tracks to same IFX, which is not possible on YAMAHA or Roland. KRONOS effects routing is like in a studio. You have 12 effects processors which are to be used in all modes. You don't magically get 12x16 IFXs.

This has been discussed to death on every discussion forum you go. Search of effects routing on this forum and you will get tens of threads to go through.

BUT, it is my personal idea that KRONOS actually has 32 EQs, 24 IFXs and 4 MFX, and 4 TFX under the hood to handle realtime sound switching in any mode with out breaking the sound.

simur wrote:

michelkeijzers wrote:

uriahsmusic wrote:Please make this.
A workstation for writers. Like kronos but easy. As for sounds just the basics Bass, guitar, piano electric piano, organ ,strings,horns, pads and drums. Give us 20 of each..that's it! Make it so writing is easy! sequence in sections like a drum machine..intro, verses ,chorus etc. Most importantly is no tweaking! If I go to program a5 and that's a piano with certain fx, that is what should record when I assign it to a track. Period! and if I assign 16 instruments all of them should not be compromised by fx limitations per song. Just do it! skip all of the stupid stuff that make a manual 200 pages and let me pick what I want, record it...and move on. You have ssd's and ram requirements that are astronomical, but cant just make a easily usable writing tool. Just explain UPFRONT...Korg listens to WRITERS and here it is!...Including audio was great by the way!

They are probably laughing but they'd better wise up before I MAKE IT!

I think what you are looking for is more like an arranger instead of a workstation/synthesizer.

I want to have full flexibility, I don't need a sequencer, I want a detailed 1000+ pages manual describing all details, I want tweaking.

It's not that I'm against your ideas ... but everyone has different ideas.

I think that a product that allows both is possible. It is a challenge but the product could be made to be used at different levels, ready to go for the songwriter but also deeply configurable and customizable for the sound designer, for example.

KORG PA X series is both a very capable synthesizer and an arranger. The sound engine is on par with M3. It even has some tricks that the synth workstations do not have, like DNC and Vocal processor, song db... etc. I think for songwriting purpose PA X is a better choice than KRONOS for the OP.

Jupiter-80 or Integra-7. Seriously.

As for the Kronos, I highly suggest that you guys come up with a master control scheme for the effects, as well as those four programmable knobs, switches, footswitches and Value slider. This is what you have to do for anything, even a comprehensive DAW, and what I'm going to be doing over the coming weeks as I program those 70s - 80s sounds. I'm already reconsidering my controller assignments, and will be changing them this week.

If you do this, you will have no problems, as long as you don't need 20 effects.

yes it would be nice... but this is just ANOTHER example of no matter how much they give you.... WE ALWAYS WANT MORE!!!!!

when we only have 5 or so on the triton and m3 we thought that was too little but we still made due. Now we have what.... 12IFX 2MFX 2TFX

and it's still is not enough... LOL

Again, I'm not saying this wouldn't be good.... but dang. lol

oh yeah and the Fantom G will get you a full 16fx (for all 16 tracks)... only thing is on the Fantom G you can't change the FX once it's in the sequence... meaning if you have a preset piano (with a flanger) and you like it and you want to use it in your sequence then fine. you can use it in your sequence and the FX will carry over with it... but if you want to change the effect to something else... (once its in the sequence...) say from a flanger to a rotary (just saying, for example)... you could not change it in the sequence. You would either have to go and change the preset or make a new (user) preset. this is only a small deal until you figure that that means for EVERY single instance of a patch that you have a different set of effect settings each of of those instances will use one of your user program slots. and you can NOT save over presets... only the user area...

I hope this makes sense.

That'll teach me just to read the (Fantom G) specs page.

When it says 'patch multi-effects' I would have thought that each patch could handle more than the one effect.

That's downright limiting even if you can run one on each seq track ... and non-editable on top of that ...

SanderXpander wrote:As far as I know, none of them. And if you think about it for five minutes, you'll realize why. On the Kronos, you could always record your parts to audio with fx and then free up the slots.

That's how I'm doing it with my DAW but I'm also saving the parts in set list mode so I can quickly access the combi's, programs, Karma, etc that I'm using in the song.....moon

Access Virus TI series (not a workstation, obviously) retains all of the individual programs' FX in multimode (16-part multitimbral).