OS 1.5 Resources

organiste89 · Post by **organiste89** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:00 pm

ozdaniel(AD) wrote:Download Res v1.50; https://rapidshare.com/files/2092221356 ... s.v150.zip

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ozdaniel(AD) · Post by **ozdaniel(AD)** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:56 am

cristi_pa1xpro wrote:We all have the resources. the question is why we do not find them on the site www.korgpa.com?
On www.korg.de for musikant we find the resources but it is not the operating system. Where is the problem?

I think,somewhere between...

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:32 pm

Just a reminder - these are NOT resources - the "res" in the file name stands for Reset.
It is a full factory reset.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:01 pm

karmathanever wrote:Just a reminder - these are NOT resources - the "res" in the file name stands for Reset.
It is a full factory reset.

Pa3XRes.v150 is indeed resource file two way applicable ( see it's size) !
When St-By & Intro 1 works as resources update as ordinary older Res.
When St-By & Intro 3 , first OPS clear all Factory resources and then loaded as an ordinary resources file we know.

But don't confuse some things abour resources !
Rom samples can never change in Pa3X for the well known reason of mobo Chip arrays that are read only ,
so actually there is no new waveform in OPS 1.5 even to future v.10 ,but only edits in sounds environment.
That's why Res file isn't needed at all and a factory restore is enough after a OPS update !

Paolo@Korg · Post by **Paolo@Korg** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:31 pm

Hi,

Pete and Antony are right: you only need the Pa3X_os_v150.pkg file. This one contains both the Operating System and Musical Resources. We changed the upgrade procedure, because this reduces the needed file to only this one.

To load the Musical Resources after upgrading the Operating System, you have to choose the Media > Utility > Factory Restore command. The complete procedure is explained in the PDF file coming with the Operating System file.

The Pa3X_res_v150.pkg file is the Factory Reset file. This also reloads samples, and is only needed when a 'freeze' happens. We are working on it, so loading the one you might find on the web is not recommended.

Best regards,
Paolo

isaacl · Post by **isaacl** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:29 am

Paolo@Korg wrote:Hi,

Pete and Antony are right: you only need the Pa3X_os_v150.pkg file. This one contains both the Operating System and Musical Resources. We changed the upgrade procedure, because this reduces the needed file to only this one.

To load the Musical Resources after upgrading the Operating System, you have to choose the Media > Utility > Factory Restore command. The complete procedure is explained in the PDF file coming with the Operating System file.

The Pa3X_res_v150.pkg file is the Factory Reset file. This also reloads samples, and is only needed when a 'freeze' happens. We are working on it, so loading the one you might find on the web is not recommended.

Best regards,
Paolo

Thanks for the clatification!

duby2 · Post by **duby2** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:54 pm

so the korg musical resources has all the sample in it , so korg could give up a new paino sample ,just like they did in the M3 ,, a new musical resources could make a new pa3 keyboard out it,,and the sample in the musikant pa3 are the same as (Pa3X INTERNATIONAL) so it look like it just some of the styles are change and Performances that is the different,, so they why is it so hard for korg to post just the style from the musikant or international and the performances for both keyboard , so , we both can share,, I might play here in the usa a lot of german polka music..

musicrazy · Post by **musicrazy** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:49 pm

"The Pa3X_res_v150.pkg file is the Factory Reset file. This also reloads samples"

Like i thought the pa3x is able to update samples (and so pa2x). Anthony the sample memory chips on korg are Read/Write capable.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:36 pm

musicrazy wrote:Like i thought the pa3x is able to update samples (and so pa2x). Anthony the sample memory chips on korg are Read/Write capable.

There is no EEPROM or any non ECL DDR R/W memory to have the required access time < 10 nS , definitely !
Otherwise Ram would be a forgotten nightmare for samplers

The only way that could be achieved is to preload Ram , which is by definition impossible in our case !
I don't own Pa3X service manual yet ,but I'm quite sure by 98 % that Pa2X status also exists in Pa3X
where is crystal clear that ...

Pa2X Internal waveforms are written on ROM chips manufactured by Macronix, part number MX23L12811TC.
These speedy (close to Ram) chips are manufactured using a photographic mask layer , they are not reprogrammable
and the only way to replace factory samples is to unsolder surface mounted ICs and replace them with new updated !

Also explore all 9xx waveforms of Pa3X and you can easily confirm that Ram waveforms are
always the some from Pa3X birthday , I suppose that Paolo can confirm it !

musicrazy · Post by **musicrazy** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:55 pm

Antony i want to make clear that i'm not having any doubt about your expertise on korg products. But how do you understand paolo's words then ??

"""The Pa3X_res_v150.pkg file is the Factory Reset file. This also reloads samples, and is only needed when a 'freeze' happens. We are working on it, so loading the one you might find on the web is not recommended. """

Cheers

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:28 pm

I'm not expert on Korg's products , I'm expert at any electronic equipment I own when I explore it
since I'm CPU & peripheral designer and my conclusions are not based by anyone's words
but only under technical points.

It is crystal clear that a sampler can work without real time latency only under 3 ways :
1) Waveforms written only to free maintainable fast media which is Rom only.
2) Waveforms written to eeROMS or flash nand, that will transfer their content to Ram during booting
3) Waveforms αttack preloaded to Ram and streaming the rest sample body from slower speed storage
devices as above & SSDs , the well known DFD method !

As we call in maths under "αtopic induction" , 2 & 3 are rejected , so Rom is the correct waveforms storage
and as I wrote speedy Rom are Read-only by definition !

alfredokiwi · Post by **alfredokiwi** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:59 pm

AntonySharmman wrote:I'm not expert on Korg's products , I'm expert at any electronic equipment I own when I explore it
since I'm CPU & peripheral designer and my conclusions are not taken by anyone's words
but only under technical points.

Since is crystal clear that a sampler can work without real time latency only with 3 ways :
1) Waveforms written only to maintainable fast media which is Rom.
2) Waveforms written to eeROMS or flash nand, that will load their content to Ram during booting
3) Waveforms αttack preloaded to Ram and streaming the rest sample body from slower speed storage
devices as above & SSDs , the well known DFD method !

As we call in maths under "αtopic induction" , 2 & 3 are rejected , so Rom is the correct waveforms storage
and as I wrote speedy Rom are Read-only by definition !

A memory on the worst case has 100 ns of latency on random data access (page access is 4x faster !!). For human ears and speed of mind 100 ns converted in seconds is 0,00000001 seconds of latency!!!. In other words the type of memory in use PROM, EEPROM (FLASH), or RAM doesn't matters for latencies. The "note on" or keys panel latency in many cases is due the main OS code that´s not improved and efficient. Also the absence of IRQ request channels for I/O peripherals (keyboard and panel buttons scan) that force the use of polling methods which consumes CPU resources. On some cases when the DSP is dynamically updated to change effects and if CPU is to slow to transfer the effects data update latency issues can be noticed by ear.

Again the sampling memory is not guilty, the main issue today is the use of not optimized OS kernels and programming all the code at high level language using large libraries that consumes to much CPU resources. I prefer a 2 line 16 character LCD and small libraries that leads to a efficient program as a graphical touch interface will larger libraries that at the end responds to slows to real time events.

Again memory speed is not the main latency issue on a PCM sampling keyboard.

musicrazy · Post by **musicrazy** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:55 pm

well.... i'm having some fun seeing these different points of view...

About os reinstall....

i've told you before.... We can't do it now on pa3x because there is no format tool ( the res file do it automatically) but on pa2x if we load the format tool and then only the os update package (without resources) the keyboard boots up but don't play any sound...

About pa3x intro3 without restoring resources..... well maybe the resources present on keyboard are those from before update?

And i'm not confused . I know resources are not the internal waveforms. Resources are the sounds programming styles, perf... etc. But .... i suspect the internal waveforms are there on the res big file too. The file is too big to contain only resources.

maybe mr paolo can clarify this.

Cheers

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:55 pm

alfredokiwi
Υου always disorientate conversations with outstanding "offset" lectures !
#memory speed is not the main latency issue on a PCM sampling keyboard #
totally wrong , yes this is definately the main issue even for a Motorola 68000 !
#100ns = 0,00000001 real latency#
totally wrong too , 100ns with all consequences cause 1/128 latency in a quadrant !
Don't try to persuade ,especially me ,for garbage flash media and their invisible benefits , you waste our time !
Even the most advanced twin mos nand gates (non ECL) are 1000 slower that the requested speed
in working applications , never based on garbage data sheets that a naive can believe , I design
automatons daily and surely know the real results !

Try to study today's PC & Mac architectures in music industry and freely express yourself when
you design one , but meantime concentrate to specific topic if you really know something useful
except those Pa500 mods !

musicrazy
Pa2X OPS didn't have the option to recreate Styles,sounds ect , only in Pa3X OPS it's possible but
in Pa2X waveforms were there unassigned even after reset tool was applied !

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:50 am

Well !!!!!

The OS loads the OS
The "res" resets the entire keyboard.

I have a serious latency issue when I've been up until 4am grooving on this magnificent keyboard - but it has nothing to do with the keyboard!!!

So - this topic all solved then ?????

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