Korg News Keyboard pa600

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:00 am

No, i am talking about the same keyboard...and funny...written proof...who's gonna sign it?

shefu · Post by **shefu** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:50 pm

All I did was to ask you for arguments that can back up your claim, but since you haven't provided any yet, I'm led to believe that it's just your personal opinion, and that is also fine.

But like I told that other guy who made the same remark, Korg is doing with the PA 600 the exact same thing Yamaha did with the A2000 in terms of small user sample memory that can be used for Country/Region specific styles released as "Expansions". If the A2000 would have been such a disaster why would Korg adopt the same business model?

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:27 am

This is internet and everything will be based on MY WORD AGAINST YOURS
so lets not go there...i deal with hundreds of musicians daily and basically
i know almost everyone around the net who has what machine.
In 250 Korg Arrangers you MIGHT find a PSR2000 and thats MIGHT.
Imagine this for 2-3 months straight selling material for Korg PA and other
brand arrangers even Ketron and Roland and other Yamahas...and in 3-4
months noone asks about anything about the PSR2000...isnt that enough?
You see...that is a solid proof but this is internet and its WORDS ONLY still...

shefu · Post by **shefu** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:36 am

So basically, just because no one has solicited any custom made styles for the A2000 (which is fully loaded with Oriental styles as it is) means that automatically it's a bad keyboard?

Have you even listened to some of styles on the board or in the Expansions? Maybe they haven't because there is no need to. Just sayin'...

Anyway we've derailed this topic long enough.

I am curious how the PA600QT will sound and what they'll have to offer in terms of Expansions.

Asena · Post by **Asena** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:19 am

EMO MUZIK In Turkey maded a Superb USB for YAMAHA A - 2000!

I heave never listened such as god USB like that one, I,m impressed of his Great Work!

From beginning he presented the Idea for KORG, but in some how, They did not liked it.

So YAMAHA toked a step forward, And gues what 60% of the YAMAHA market wakened up, And It,s selling like a Bic Mac Now.

Korg is KORG Yamaha Is Yamaha, And EMO Makes it, He maded It For KORG YAMAHA And ROLAND, So The Guru here is not KORG Or Whatever, IT,s The Sound and style designers, Just fallow them if you want make you,r KB live.

alfaholic · Post by **alfaholic** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:59 pm

@shefu
Yamaha A2000 is very expensive with almost nothing to give in return.
Tyros 3/4 is almost the same thing, BUT with freedom to make what ever you think is appropriate for you and your music using sampler and style creator.
I do not know anything about sales of A2000 globally, but I know that in this part of the world (Balkan) no one bought one, or at least no one who lives by playing music, as a hobby it can be nice, expensive but it is your choice.

You mentioned some Yamaha's Oriental styles, but in reality nothing can compare with some developer professional work who is at his terrain, and that music is his native .
Yamaha did make some styles for this region for A2000 in collaboration with some guys here who make some resources and styles, but all that material was bad from the start, and then further destroyed by Yamaha's engineers for some strange reason, compressed, shortened sample duration, reducing umber of samples in multisample, etc...

If you find A2000 good value for your money, I am glad for you, but this is just my opinion based on many years of working with keyboards and arrangers, sampling, arranging, and producing music for professional use, and making resources for professional keyboardists.
Also, I can be some fool with the computer and internet connection, but are not we all in the same position when we are being watched by someone else online.

Also, if Korg and yamaha did something, it may not be by default a good decision.
We all have our heads to use that little brain that we have...

As for Pa600, for 1200 Euro it is too expensive, it is 400 Euro more for new search option, different color, and two fills more.
Oh yes, and for 96mb of user memory for just importing already prepared .SET, with no option to make something by your self.
For that money I will by second hand Pa2X Pro.

But do not get me wrong, each commodity has its own customer:

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:47 pm

Lolz.

shefu · Post by **shefu** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:26 pm

Obviously I am an idiot for daring to have a different opinion than some of our illustrious members. I apologize, I will refrain to speak against the machine in the future. I find it sad that people who are really good at what they do are not as humble as they could be. A little less "cockyness" would surely be appreciated.

I will go back to my corner now.

alfaholic · Post by **alfaholic** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:39 pm

Oh, I am really sorry if you feel that way, it was not my intention, please accept my apology.

As you can "see", English is not my native, and please be aware that I must think hard to make my words have some sense to all of you, and I often forget to put some smilies, and read everything again, and again to avoid this awkward situations.

My previous post is just my opinion. And please, bear in mind that we all are very different, then on top of that we are from different countries, there is so much cultural differences between us it is very hard to make one and general opinion about anything, so that is just my view of things, colored with this region I am from, and so many other things... :wacky:

I think Pa600 should have 8 effects just as Pa3X, parametric EQ on every oscillator, and drum kit component, MaxxAudio (Waves is expensive) is not necessary, we can live with 4 band, full parametric EQ with all 4 sweepable bands and Q factor, full sampler with 32-64 mb of RAM, but with ability to import, and export samples and multisamples, without preamp and record option, and all that for no more than 1000 Euro.

Then again, maybe I am stupid...

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:16 pm

Shefu, you missunderstood all of us bro, nobody had anything against you,
this wasnt about opinions or who likes the machine or who doesnt, this was
simply about Facts, and Me and Alfa bot actually deal with hundreds of different
Keyboard players from all over the world and both have or are working with
some of the Keyboard makers and simply stating facts. Of course opinion is
another thing and nobody is taling against any machine. As far as PS2000
goes if i've seen one NO, i've had one for a while...its a very good machine
but it simply did not make in the Middle Eastern Market, same as the PA500
Oriental never did make it...compared to other machine sucj as PA800 for example.
PSR2000, 1000, PA500Ori or Turk...they never made it in those countries.

shefu · Post by **shefu** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:48 am

Alfa & Nedim, Thank you for your clarifications. Sometimes I forget that it's very easy to take things out of context in a message.

As far as what you were saying Nedim about these "oriental" specific keyboardsv- why do they keep making them? Me I use it as a hobby, maybe there's a hundred more like me in the world, would that be even enough sales to cover their costs?

As far as prices go, they are over priced! I completly agree with this. When I got the A2000 It was the best priced keyboard for what I wanted (remember I am not a gigging keyboardist), and their expansions is what attracted me, and honestly their latest one "Eastern European" is really good (in my humble opinion I'm not an expert on styles).

But what can we do? I wont't pay $4000 for a PA3x or $5000 for Tyros just to play with country specific styles whenever I feel nostalgic and miss Europe.

Which is what makes me curious about the PA600 QT specifically. The price and the ability to experience the oriental/arabic/easter euro styles from Korg!

PS: I also wanna appologize if I offended any of you!

alfaholic · Post by **alfaholic** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:24 am

I think there is much better solution for hobbyists than paying over 2000 Euro for A2000, or any similar arranger, for example buying second hand Pa2X Pro, or Tyros.

Tyros 2 can be found now for 1100-1300 Euro, with 512 mb of memory, and if you compare it with Tyros 3 it is a little bit slower, it has just one DSP instead of 3 on T3, and maybe lesser drum kits, and voices, or sampled-external custom drums support.
Tyros 3 and Tyros 4 are virtually the same keyboard with different memory (slower) on T4, 5 layers Real Drums (good but nothing special), and blue buttons instead of green ones on T3.
So, if you ask me, differences between all these keyboards are small if you are a hobbyist, even for many "professionals" who are make for they living playing music.
The same story for PA2X Pro. There is so much on Pa3X that can be done to improve the sound, but even among the professionals only 10-15% of them knows what to do with all that studio stuff that moder arrangers have, so you will get good product for around $2000 buying second hand Pa2X Pro.

Then again, I managed to do all insert effect stuff in Pa2X Pro, making that keyboard almost in front of the third generation of arrangers, so buying some aftermarket resources from some serious developer you can get much more than all those Korg or Yamaha styles, that are nothing special if I am honest.

I am not saying that you need to buy something from me, or any other here, just I would think twice before spending the money on A2000, or any similar keyboard in that price range.
Again, that is just my opinion, I do not want to make someone think I want to do a brainwash, just my 2c...

korgpa2xmaster · Post by **korgpa2xmaster** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:35 pm

Good thing about Pa600 is that every distributor will have set ready for download from Korg site, at least that is the plan. Now that pa600 is released i can tell that i worked on set for one of distributors and here is the video of this process. Every country should have this support for local music in next period.

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alfredokiwi · Post by **alfredokiwi** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:56 pm

Already I have posted my opinion on the Pa3X section but this post seems to be the right place. I´m owner of an Pa500 and regarding about the Pa600 videos on youtube seems to be the same samples set plus an additional samples bank of ethnic/region instruments and percussion set to cover the different region markets. The boot time is a bit long compared previous Pa500 and most of the styles are the same as in previous Pa500 model but some styles are totally new.

From sound quality perspective seem to be well designed, not as the previous Pa500 with its well know issue about the low level or low dynamic range. For more information about this issue I have a blog explaining it in detail plus the fix to correct it.

www.alfredoblogspage.blogspot.com.ar

I think that the new model Pa600 seem to be much better in design and features for example the simplification of the panel board, no more the balance control and twice playback controls and of course the color touch screen much better in size and quality. Also the possibility of the add of the scales board for different regions because I hear that this is an expansion option sold separately. Because previous Pa500 design concept with its blue case / ethnic stylish sounds more for the oriental market, is my point of view from design and features I think the new model is very nice.

For me an upgrade from Pa500 seems to be not convenient due the similarities of both models but I must admit that the new Pa600 sounds very good. A well design concept from Korg engineering !!!

charlie67 · Post by **charlie67** » Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:35 am

Thank you for your post Alfredokiwi. A well presented point of view, without any pointless arguments with other forum posters. Unfortunately there are some posters on Korg forums who would rather argue, than discuss in a friendly way. They don't seem to know who they are.