User Bank confusion with OS 2.0.2

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NuSkoolTone wrote:So fast forward a bit and I am still having problems with saving user banks.

IS there a true procedure?

Example: Can I overwrite the .ksc with what I'm saving therefore writing a new user bank and not using double the space for the new .KSC?
What are you saving? The more specific you can be, the more helpful I can be. Are you editing samples and multisamples in Sampling Mode, and saving the results? Or, are you just saving the current state of the samples loaded into the machine?

Based on what you've written so far, it sounds like you may have been loading the samples into Sampling Mode, like you would have had to do before KRONOS version 2. I'd do it this way instead:

1. Load CP-80_UserBank.KSC
2. Load Cloud Nyne_UserBank.KSC
Now, the samples are all loaded as User Sample Banks.
3. Save a new KSC as Cloud Nyne Gig.KSC. This will contain links to the two User Sample Banks. Samples won't be duplicated on disk, and you'll be able to play the samples using VMT in order to minimize load time and memory usage.

You would only need to load the non-UserBank KSCs when you need to edit the sample or multisample data in Sampling Mode.
I skipped one step here. I think that the CP-80 and Cloud Nyne User Sample Banks have the same ID. To solve this, you'll need to do the following. You only need to do this once. You could do it with either of the original KSCs; I'll choose to do it with the Cloud Nyne one:

1. Load Cloud Nyne.KSC (not the User Sample Bank)
2. Use Save Sampling Data to save the KSC to disk, overwriting the original. When saving, save only Sampling Mode Data, not links, and use the "Force new User Sample Bank ID" option. This will solve the strangeness you saw with the User Sample Banks getting confused with one another.
3. Use "Remap MS/Sample Banks" to remap any Programs etc. which used the Cloud Nyne samples, so that they refer to the newly saved KSC.
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After reboots and the additional instruction things seem to be working as expected.

Thanks guys. I didn't see that stuff in the manual when I looked, (Perhaps in the parameter guide?) but will search on the text given and I'm sure I'll find it.

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OK, I 'm getting on in years and the new OS.2. user-sampling feature is a new trick for me.

I am having problems understanding how the user-sample organisation and usage in Kronos works. I've read the manuals, followed the relevent threads and tried to absorb the wealth of detail, but I'm still getting confused.

Previously, for me, Sampling was a matter of having a sound file, that I would record or copy, either placed into RAM or saved into memory; (That's how the Electribe SX works); and that would be played back either as a loop or a one-shot, (or that I can use as an oscillator wave form - as in the Triton).

What would be useful to me would be an overview (incl a diagram) explaining HOW it fits together and WHY it is organised as it is, (not what it is or what you do with it).

I hope this makes sense; and apologies if I'm covering old ground here.
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It's not so different now, just much more effiecient in use.

User samples using VMT are no longer loaded completely into RAM. Instead necessary header information is loaded into RAM, and the rest of the sample data is streamed from SSD.

For this new mode a VMT user file is generated, which refers to the sample data on SSD. It replaces the former sample file (held in RAM completely). The new user file type just refers to the main body of the sampling data on SSD (ksc and ksf files).

How that is managed is described in the manual.
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Thanks Jimknopf :)

Next up is how the user-samples are stored on the SSD along with the EX soundsets and how these are managed and installed/uninstalled - and how the management of these soundsets works on the SSD - (I read about some files remaining on the SSD and others being removed through uninstalling) - and how file storage relates to the size of SSD.

I'd been wondering about eventually getting a large second SSD with a view to keeping any and all soundsets I want on that drive so I don't need to install/uninstall the data from the SSD - will that be possible/advisable?
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Does anyone know how I can add sample files to an already existing file? I have a smart media card with some sounds I use but I was wanting to know if I can add more to it so that I all I have to do is load it up once . What I don't want is to load two separate ksc/pcg files
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Tritonle wrote:Does anyone know how I can add sample files to an already existing file? I have a smart media card with some sounds I use but I was wanting to know if I can add more to it so that I all I have to do is load it up once . What I don't want is to load two separate ksc/pcg files
A single KSC file can load from any number of other KSC files. For instance, note the FACTORY.KSC file, which loads from a number of different EXs. You can do the same thing with a single KSC loading from any number of EXs and/or User Sample Banks. You never need to load more than a single KSC file if you want to work that way.

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I'm not sure exactly which file to drag to the one since the names of the sounds aren't listed instead it's just letter and numbers .is their some app or something that will let me hear what that sound is? And I notice when it loads up in the korg Triton their are multiple copies of one sound in a Bank . How can I get rid of them and keep one .
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Tritonle wrote:I'm not sure exactly which file to drag to the one since the names of the sounds aren't listed instead it's just letter and numbers .is their some app or something that will let me hear what that sound is? And I notice when it loads up in the korg Triton their are multiple copies of one sound in a Bank . How can I get rid of them and keep one .
Browse into the KSC file (in disk mode) to see what's inside.

Re the Triton, I don't know, sorry.
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