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The R3 IS a Software Synth. It's running on proprietary DSP hardware, but it's 100% softsynth. It's just not in PC/VST form. I have no clue why you're talking about sampling in reference to the R3 doing Skrillex. The R3 can't do anything with samples, so any sampliing you do wih Skrillex has nothing to do with being able to reproduce the patch on the R3. I like the R3 and I have written many of the patches in the download section here. But the R3 doesn't come remotely close to the power of Massive. The envelopes and waves are far more complex and varied than the R3. That doesn't make the R3 bad. Every synth has it's advantages and disadvantages, and it's equally important to recognize both perspectives.

Morshu wrote:true but with a good programmer(and even without one) the R3 has better sounds and sound quality than many VSTs.

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no, it doesn't?

it's neither better nor worse...

I meant sampling the sounds i created with the R3.

Morshu wrote: Btw did you try out my presets in the link i posted earlier?

My R3 hasn't been with me for the last few days, but I'm getting it back tonight so I'll check out your sounds as soon as I can

thanks and btw I find this topic strange because were just rambling about software vs hardware instead of about creating that sound- I have found a video of someone who is using a microkorg xl to create that sound- and an X50 for the drums. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFxCPYfAo64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ETKP7pdGs4

its pretty accurate

The sound is disturbingly simple to try to replicate but it never turns out quite right because of how digital the r3 sounds whenever I try to make it, but considering how well the guy in this video was able to do it with a MKXL, I'm sure there must be a way. I've already posted my attempt at it earlier- but i havn't gotten any feedback on it.

I can't chck out your patch because I don't own an R3 but im sure its killer

The secret is prob getting the right dissonance by transposing some saws in a weird way...

I'll attmpt the patch later today.

wow- could you post the patch for that or instructions or something? or is that my patch edited? well good job however you did it man.

There are a number of ways that MMT could make that sound. The best option may be to use both timbres of the R3 and turn oscillator 1 all the way down on one of the timbres and then slightly detune oscillator 2 on both timbres.

Before I get into it let me state that the patch isn't perfect. The attack is off, its too bright, the portamento and the vibrato/tremolo effect could both use some fine tuning too.

Anyway heres what I did: I found it easiest to use the oscillator 1 unison mode (not to be confused with the timbre unison). Detuned the crap out of it, set the phase attack with control 2. Then I turned oscillator two up about 70% and fine-detuned it up a bit (you may want to detune it down instead) and thats all your oscillators

the filter is bypassed. you could leave it on but i don't like how MMT has a pretty small cutoff range that seems to bleed through even when the filter is all the way open.

for the amp I had the attack at zero, the decay around 40%, the sustain at like 75% and give it a pinch of release (I had mine on zero and you can hear it cut out too early).

boost the drive about 35% or so (i also patched mine pre-filter but i don't think it makes a dif)

give it a pinch of portemento. now i had sequenced the notes to help me w/ this so you may want to patch your R3 into a DAW. if you can set the portemento curve put it on 'soft'

oh yeah and i took your argument to heart and cranked up the Analog Detune to around 20

once thats in place just patch LFO 2 to pitch and turn intensity up to about +10. also patch LFO 2 to the amp and make it -4 to enhance the vibrato and make some of the high end stand out more.

last but not least throw a compressor on that bad boy to bring out some overtones, you're done!

wow that was a lot more writing then I expected...

Thanks- and even though you may think its not perfect, your instructions are practically 100% accurate. I found a few tutorials for reason, and I was able to copy some of the things he did but your method makes a lot more sense. The only thing is do you use 3-4 lfos? you should post the patch- I actually made a similar sound(a little too harsh however) I'll post it here soon. But your patch definately sounds better.

I'll try what you said though- thanks!

I only used LFO 2 as described. maybe you meant sub oscillator? Didn't use one.

heres the patch but its made on the radias so you wont be able to upload it in the R3 editor http://www.file-upload.net/download-366 ... m.rdp.html

Thanks- I followed your instructions and got a bit closer- but I wasn't able to make it sound like your patch without using all 4 osc. Do you suppose you could post your exact settings so I could see if the reason it sounds different for me is coincidental or because I did it differently?

I played around a bit and i got it exact - so your advice worked afterall haha

By the way, Morshu, you can download the software editors for the Radias, Microkorg XL, and many other synths to inspect the settings of patches, even though you don't have the hardware. This opens up a whole range of patches for you to explore. I download the editors of any new synths that are released because looking at the patch editor is much more informative than searching through the manual and press info.