Rudess' first DT gig w/ the Kronos

theshinenz · Post by **theshinenz** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:26 am

What I don't get is why such a musically talented band choose such a weak singer to front them....never like his voice.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:35 am

He wasn't weak before, he had a quite powerful voice in fact. Check the Live At Marquee and stand amazed.

It was the Falling Into Infinity tour when DT went to Cuba that James LaBrie had a very bad food poisoning, vomiting so bad his vocal chords ruptured. He never fully recovered since, although his voice seemed to be in a great state on Octavarium tour and Score, but not on Systematic Chaos and... well, today.

dangerousdave · Post by **dangerousdave** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:25 am

I see he's running SampleWiz on his iPad. I'm on the lookout for an affordable iPad just to run MorphWiz and SampleWiz on - the screen on the iPhone just isn't big enough.

Personally I'm a fan of DT and Rudess. Love him or hate him, he's doing exciting things in the development of music apps.

BillW · Post by **BillW** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:40 pm

franzlp wrote:Very nice. I stand corrected. Thank you.

There's a pun in there somewhere.

EnjoyRC · Post by **EnjoyRC** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:02 pm

dangerousdave wrote:I see he's running SampleWiz on his iPad.

What on earth would he trigger on SampleWiz that he couldn't map to a key on the Kronos and stream it from there?

dangerousdave · Post by **dangerousdave** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:41 pm

EnjoyRC wrote: What on earth would he trigger on SampleWiz that he couldn't map to a key on the Kronos and stream it from there?

I've done very little in the way of sampling, and none at all on the Kronos so far, so I don't really know what the Kronos is capable of. I don't know if it can do everything SampleWiz can, but I do know that SampleWiz makes it very easy to do some pretty cool stuff with samples, and the interface is excellent.

Having said that, it's MorphWiz that I love - a surprisingly deep synth, and the closest thing you can get to the Hakem Continuum without spending lots of money.

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:06 pm

dangerousdave wrote:
EnjoyRC wrote: What on earth would he trigger on SampleWiz that he couldn't map to a key on the Kronos and stream it from there?
I've done very little in the way of sampling, and none at all on the Kronos so far, so I don't really know what the Kronos is capable of. I don't know if it can do everything SampleWiz can, but I do know that SampleWiz makes it very easy to do some pretty cool stuff with samples, and the interface is excellent.

Having said that, it's MorphWiz that I love - a surprisingly deep synth, and the closest thing you can get to the Hakem Continuum without spending lots of money.

Exactly. What the KRONOS cannot do is: 5 or more finger real time vector controlling. In fact, Morph/Sample-Wiz exceeds the Haken Continuum in this particular feature set....at a mere tiny fraction of the cost.

twstone1983 · Post by **twstone1983** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:24 pm

dangerousdave wrote:I see he's running SampleWiz on his iPad. I'm on the lookout for an affordable iPad just to run MorphWiz and SampleWiz on - the screen on the iPhone just isn't big enough.

Personally I'm a fan of DT and Rudess. Love him or hate him, he's doing exciting things in the development of music apps.

It was stated on the JR forums that they are working on developing Morphwiz for Android. So might have better luck finding a cheap Adriod tablet to run it rather than overpriced iPad.

Megakazbek · Post by **Megakazbek** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:07 pm

twstone1983 wrote:It was stated on the JR forums that they are working on developing Morphwiz for Android. So might have better luck finding a cheap Adriod tablet to run it rather than overpriced iPad.

I don't see how it is really possible to do it for Android because Android OS does not support low latency audio I/O.

Subpar · Post by **Subpar** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:17 pm

RonF wrote:
dangerousdave wrote:
EnjoyRC wrote: What on earth would he trigger on SampleWiz that he couldn't map to a key on the Kronos and stream it from there?
I've done very little in the way of sampling, and none at all on the Kronos so far, so I don't really know what the Kronos is capable of. I don't know if it can do everything SampleWiz can, but I do know that SampleWiz makes it very easy to do some pretty cool stuff with samples, and the interface is excellent.

Having said that, it's MorphWiz that I love - a surprisingly deep synth, and the closest thing you can get to the Hakem Continuum without spending lots of money.
Exactly. What the KRONOS cannot do is: 5 or more finger real time vector controlling. In fact, Morph/Sample-Wiz exceeds the Haken Continuum in this particular feature set....at a mere tiny fraction of the cost.

and now that you can sample your own sounds, I can create my own Lead sound and control it with Sample wiz with all the contiuum functions. Morphwiz is cool, but it doesnt have the sounds that a Kronos is capable of. Now with samplewiz, I can sample the Kronos and use MY sounds with the functionality of a Morphwiz.

The ultimate for me will be Morphwiz midi. Its coming, its only a matter of time.

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:32 am

EvilDragon wrote:It's true. See what he did to Space Dye Vest, it's horrendous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms7YbfHePZE

While I agree it's not nearly as good as the original (BIG Moore fan here), ya have to cut JR a little slack in this case IMO. There was no band, so he had to fill in the gaps a bit. Now this being JR, he probably would have still wanked tastelessly all over it with the band but I'll try to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I have to say though ever since JR joined the band, DT doesn't seem as special. Even when Derrick Sherinian was in the band it was interesting (Though not a direction I appreciated at the time). It really just HAS been the Pertucci/Portnoy show for many years and it's sounded like it. I don't even know when they release new albums anymore! With Portnoy gone, it'll be interesting to see where the band goes...

If you like DT, check out Bad Salad on You Tube. Same Genre from a bunch of guys in Brazil with a fresh take on the sound. They smoke! Looking forward to their album when they release it.

~peace~

SoulBe · Post by **SoulBe** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:10 am

Hi,

listen to the new song "on the back of angels" on youtube of the upcomming album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasnbzEMV08

To me it sounds a little bit "oldschool" like the awake album, so let´s see ... and don´t forget that it is not only the keyboarder that makes the "sound" of the band. We don´t know how much "space" in songwriting he really is given by JP. After all he is an exceptional musician.

And yes, Bad Salad is really cool. And the keyboarder is a forum member

best regards
SoulBe

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:24 am

NuSkoolTone wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:It's true. See what he did to Space Dye Vest, it's horrendous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms7YbfHePZE

While I agree it's not nearly as good as the original (BIG Moore fan here), ya have to cut JR a little slack in this case IMO. There was no band, so he had to fill in the gaps a bit. Now this being JR, he probably would have still wanked tastelessly all over it with the band but I'll try to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The whole song is mostly piano-driven in a VERY simplistic way, even when the band kicks in. What Rudess did here was inexplicable.

NuSkoolTone wrote:Even when Derrick Sherinian was in the band it was interesting (Though not a direction I appreciated at the time).

That's Derek.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:26 am

SoulBe wrote:We don´t know how much "space" in songwriting he really is given by JP. After all he is an exceptional musician

Petrucci and Rudess themselves wrote this whole next album. Mangini just learned the drums that Petrucci sequenced.

SoulBe · Post by **SoulBe** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:59 am

EvilDragon wrote: Mangini just learned the drums that Petrucci sequenced.

uuuh didn´t know that. Hopefully JP didn´t sequence the keytracks also

best regards
SoulBe