Will the Kronos have the M3's Cue List feature?

[iixorbiusii]

this does seem more like a live performance synth and not a studio workstation

The ability to create patterns/phrases, e.g. each one comprising of drums, bassline, synth lead, pad sounds etc and then place them in any order you like is industry standard I'd have thought... and as the code already exists at Korg to do this...

The absence of Cue List isn't a deal breaker for me - I am glad though that this has been raised, and already answered by Korg, so I am fully aware of it's absence and therefore changes to my workflow if I migrate to Kronos.

[georgeinar]

it seems there still must be a way to connect and combine different song files into one song file in the sequencer, maybe its done a different way, hopefully in a way that's manageable

[Bachus]

Sorry to disappoint, but KRONOS does not have the Cue List feature.

EDIT: You can, however, recall Songs using slots within Set List mode.

Makes me wonder why the good and proven improvements from M3 haven't found their way to the Kronos?

Sometimes i get the feeling that KORG couldn't come up with something new for over 3 years and then like 6 months ago they decided to repack the Oasys in a cheeper box but didn't even have time to add new (or old) stuff to it...

Low research costs combined with low build costs results in maximum financial profit.. Which KROG obviously needs to keep the company rolling in these times of financial crisis.


But then the product is more then worth the price so the customers that want Oasys quallity of sound are winners too... And those missing M3 feautures will be added overtime in patches...

[georgeinar]

well, my m3 is only like 2 years old and i haven't busted it totally open yet, as far as it's possibilities are concerned, so i will continue to sequence on my m3 and keep an eye on future enhancements on the Kronos. Maybe I'll hold out for the next keyboard 5 years from now.

[permofryed]

Though I must say I am very sad about the lack of Cue List, I would assume the "Copy Measure" feature would work very similarly on the KRONOS as it does on the M3.

Copy Measure is not near as easy or flexible as the Cue list feature, but if it works the same as on the M3, it would be a usable workaround for arranging.

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It is understandable when a feature you want is not added, but when one is "taken away", there is always a certain level of frustration and disappointment. I would think the KRONOS is targeted more towards M3 owners than OASYS owners, so it is surprising that "comfortable features", such as Cue List, Track View and Piano Roll have been removed from the new "carrot". At the same time, KORG is a for-profit business that has a multitude of product types/market segments vying for their programming/design resources. While some companies that have all of their eggs in one basket (product) could not get away with omitting highly used features their customers have come to love, Korg can get away with it because they are a highly diversified company. Having such a feature, when audio tracks have been introduced, is possible, as other companies have shown. It just appears that Korg has made the business decision not to invest their resources into making it happen for you, the Cue List/Track View/Piano Roll user (at least not yet). That is just my half-ignorant hypothesis on the matter.

Am I sad about it? Yes. Am I still going to sell my M3 to buy a KRONOS? Yes.

[FISHER the Sandwich]

If my 1999 Triton 61 had the cue list function,then why won't they put it the 2011 Kronos?
I used the cue list function like a song jukebox in my triton.it was a good thing.
Hopefully they will add it to Kronos sooner than later.

[JPWC]

Cue List? I have Cue Base.

I played my Kronos at a Barb B. Cue. It all worked out wonderfully. Songs, Programs and Combi's. All selected instantly and smoothly.

[Gargamel314]

I use this feature a lot ... not for songwriting, but for chatter music before a performance. It does come in handy, and I'm sure there are other workarounds that don't rely on it, but it's ALWAYS been a part of Korg Workstations in some form or another, I'm disappointed that they left it out of the Kronos.

[JimH]

Sometimes i get the feeling that KORG couldn't come up with something new for over 3 years and then like 6 months ago they decided to repack the Oasys in a cheeper box but didn't even have time to add new (or old) stuff to it...

I don't get that feeling. Because I know it takes a lot longer than six months to do what was done:
Design and produce tooling for hardware. Find less expensive alternatives to OASYS parts to get cost reduction and then integrate them into a system. (Not to mention EMI testing and various certifications.)
Design the MDS engine for EP-1 and integrate that. Sample the electric pianos for the raw material for it. Sample the German and Japanese pianos and integrate SGX-1.
Modify the software to work on a dual core processor so that all engines run on one core and all effects run on the other. Yet both work together in real time with no glitches. Modify the software to enable smooth sound transition. Modify the software to stream samples from the SSD in real time. Modify the software to handle the different screen size, different (fewer) I/O available. Add Set List. Add 24-bit audio recording. Add five more expansion libraries.

That's off the top of my head; I'm sure there's a lot more. I get the feeling they've spent a lot of work and time on it.

It is understandable when a feature you want is not added, but when one is "taken away", there is always a certain level of frustration and disappointment. I would think the KRONOS is targeted more towards M3 owners than OASYS owners, so it is surprising that "comfortable features", such as Cue List, Track View and Piano Roll have been removed from the new "carrot".

I think there was a similar situation when Cubase VST 5 became Cubase SX 1. Steinberg realized that in order to go further they needed to rewrite it from the ground up. Cubase SX 1 did not have many of the MIDI features that VST5 had and people were miffed. But eventually most of those features got added and Cubase became much better as a result.
Maybe another analogy is Microsoft Windows going from Windows 98/ME to the NT-based system of Windows 2000 and Windows XP.

I think the Kronos is more the engine of the future for Korg since it can make use of a multicore processor and do SST. It's based on OASYS technology so I think it will take them time to bring features of the M3 over. You can't do it all at once, plus add new features at the same time like they did.

[MarcusJS]

Lets hope Korg R&D will read this topic and decides to add the cuelist to the Kronos OS.
For me it's essential. Not to arrange songs however.
With my band we play a lot of medleys. We like to arrange the songs differently once in a while. So I use the Cue List.
Keyboard zone's alters automaticly during a medley, just right for each individual cover part/song.
It isn't probable the way Korg thought it would be used reading the manual of the Triton and the M3, but it is a way we musicians work with it. Like a jukebox with automatic settings.

I play in a professinal coverband in the Netherlands. I do know a lot of my collegues do use their Korg instruments the same way.

Hope Korg R&D reads this. For me it's break point. I'm disappointed.

[georgeinar]

Yeah, there's just too much missing, cue list and the limited sequencer, that makes it a no-go for me. And that's disappointing as I would love having a Kronos for the sounds and processing it is capable of. Also, I don't want a really small keyboard and the larger one is weighted. That too is a deal breaker, as I play more like an organ, not piano so much.

[apex]

is the cue list supposed to be apart of the 1.5 update? (I would search, but it's not working...)

[apex]

sorry... search is working.

[Slovenec]

Whilst I have a DAW based set up with Logic and Protools and a stack of 3rd party plug ins and hope that Korg will eventually allow us to use the Kronos as a true hardware plug in within our DAWS, I fail to see why Korg would deliberately omit some of the excellent features that they incorporated into their previous workstation sequencers.

CUE LISTS- I used this feature extensively when I owned my Triton Classic for 9 years. It was invaluable when building up song structures and experimenting around with the order of the song.

Kor MUST include ALL of the M3 Expanded sequencer features in the next major Kronos upgrade (such as V2).

[philmagnotta]

[quote=Having such a feature, when audio tracks have been introduced, is possible, as other companies have shown. [/quote]

I don't have a Kronos, as I'm waiting to see how this instrument works out regarding certain key-bed issues, etc., but one thing I recall from the owners manual is that regarding audio tracks- as part of the sequencer or vice versa- is that when you edit such things as delete any portion of a seq track, the audio will also disappear at those locations.
There may be other dependencies or other things that get tied to one or the other, I don't know, but it seems to me that cueing things around with the added audio recorder track function might pose some difficulties.
Since I'm very interested in the Kronos and very interested in the seq/song/audio possibilities, I'd like to hear from anyone that has made use of those function please.