Who has the best Rhodes sound ?

[Hedegaard]

Time devoted to test: a few days.

Time devoted to test: months, currently use it, but not for rhodes.

Time devoted to test: a few weeks.

Time devoted to test: two hours, also because editing and creation of my own programs was not possible.

Time devoted to test: two months (fantom and xv5080 side by side)

Time devoted to test: one hour. I ddin't "feel" the keys and the interface.

Making opinions and then writing how much time you used to test, was a great "bonus"!
Thanks for that:)
Usually people write about how much they love/hate something, but not about how much time they used on it and usually its no more than a few seconds/minutes, which is not enough time to judge anything.

[ozy]

@rocness

sop you are looking for good rhodeses but yu still want to carry around the Oasys for using it as a karma-generator?

In that case, my answer is: forget it.

Neither the nord stage nor the pc3 exist in expander form. And the keyboards are fairly material (semiweighted 76...not like just adding a m-audio 25 keys to your setup)

Either you go for software on a computer [there are very good emulations, and they would allow for karma reception], or you stick to the oasys, maybe loading dedicated samples.

Once you paid for the O and carry its weight, why not exploiting it deeply?

My answer would have suited if you choose an alternate source of sounds.

I couldn't disagree more about the OASYS, Ozzy.If someone is buying it JUST for that, yes its kind of a waste. BUT! If someone is looking for the best of everything under one roof, I have yet to see ANYTHING even CLOSE to the OASYS.

let's not transform everything in a war of religion. Especially because you believe you sound like a Biblical Prophet, but end sounding like a Scientology leaflet-pusher.

The question was not "what's the best and most complete synth?" -because in that case the Oasys is in a league of its own.

The question explicitly demanded a comparison between the oasys and sv-1, kurz, nord, specifically re the rhodeses.

So, the question itself compared the oasys to lesser machines

I realize this comparison can sound blaspheme, but wea re dealing with machines, hence money and weigh matter.

If somebody buys a keyboard just for the rhodeses and wants the best,

price, weight and ease of use matter.

In that case, just for rhodeses, oasys has legitimate competition, at 1/5 the price and with no loss on the sound and features (balanced outputs, first class converters, etc).

of course the fantom or the pc3 in absolute terms are no match for the oasys.

But this is not the Nth thread about the Absolute. It is about rhodeses.

Since I spent months trying, tetsing, asking, reading about rhodes emulations (I here skipped the "vst" chapter...),

I thought I'd say "my humble opinion", as I stated.

To an "personal humble opinion" I received an arrogant retort ex-cathedra.

[peter m. mahr]

Time devoted to test: a few days.

Time devoted to test: months, currently use it, but not for rhodes.

Time devoted to test: a few weeks.

Time devoted to test: two hours, also because editing and creation of my own programs was not possible.

Time devoted to test: two months (fantom and xv5080 side by side)

Time devoted to test: one hour. I ddin't "feel" the keys and the interface.

Making opinions and then writing how much time you used to test, was a great "bonus"!
Thanks for that:)

Usually people write about how much they love/hate something, but not about how much time they used on it and usually its no more than a few
seconds/minutes, which is not enough time to judge anything.

As long as it is true, I agree.

I for myself owned the Nord Stage (which is still on the photo of my old studio on the website) and for the CP I have a dedicated area on my blog. There is a short report, first impressions together with a few samples. Probably I do not need to prove owning an OASYS

[ozy]

As long as it is true

a telling comment. I am certain that people here write seriously and professionally. Don't you? Just asking.

for the CP I have a dedicated area on my blog. There is a short report, first impressions together with a few samples.

May you please post the link?

I chose and bought the pc3 but didn't marry her, and didn't test the cp1. The more data I gather, the better.

Also: I hated the nord stage ex keys, but I must say that the one I could borrow for testing was a "compact". Keys looked like a bad joke about a farfisa organ, nothing like a keybed whioch could allow for rhodes playing, even in a synth-emulation version.

Is the stage semiweighted keyboard far better than the compact?

thx

[peter m. mahr]

I have been a frequent gearslutz forum visitor and there were some "users" who never owned or even did not work or test the equipment they recommended. Therefore I am always a bit sceptical, this is not refering to you! At the end one has to decide on his own anyway...

I just saw that all my CP1 postings are in German, and even worse, I did not upload new audio demos, but for now, here is the CP1 link:
http://blog.petermmahr.com/category/yamaha-cp1/

And here is the one for the Mark 7, which I sent back and "replaced" it with a Drawmer S3 (which is a great piece of gear, by the way) http://blog.petermmahr.com/category/rhodes-mark-7/

Unless other stated all audio demos, fotos etc. are my property

Peter

[ozy]

the Mark 7, which I sent back and "replaced" it with a Drawmer S3 (

beats me.

How do you feel playing "georgia on my mind" on the Drawmer?!?

Forget the jokes: your review of the mk 7 is just an inch short of enthusiastic: so why did you return it?

What was wrong?

Not the computer hiss, I guess.

Nor do I think it's because of the build quality: perfection in details and finishing has NEVER been the hallmark of great american producers. I never could find two prophet Vs with the same exact wood color... no, make that "not even the same color on the top and left side".

Small-numbers productions in keyboards (except pianos, of corse) don't have the "perfectly finished" quality of highly automated mass productions of the japanese, which includes both robot-precision and post-prodction selection of imperfect items, which is not economically viable on small scales).

So, what was wrong with the Beast?

Because if I thought making a financial and muscular/arthicular folly this year, it was about buying a midi-ed rhodes and making that my bottom master.

[peter m. mahr]

I completely agree with what you wrote about American build electronical instruments - with the exception of the Moog Voyager. I remember very well the day I recieved the Matrix-12. At first I thought they were kidding.... but they were not. Korg, Roland and Yamaha always produced reliable instruments with highly build quality.

Regarding the Mark 7. I really liked it, as it was my first mechanical instrument with a great sound, it was what I was looking for. Your interpretation of my review is therefore right.

But unfortunately as I recieved one of the first in Central Europe it was not checked by the reseller before they sent it to me. Therefore my Mark 7 needed some adjustement. It was not as easy as I thought, but on the other hand I gained some experience. Which is never bad . But still some of the keys in the lower range did not sound as they should have and its timbre was heterogenous over the whole range. Tomann suggested to take it back, tune it and send it back. They kept their promise and sent it after tuning and checking to my address. Everything on their expense! Meanwhile I digged more and more into the CP1. Its keyboard was lightyears ahead of the Mark 7, not to mention the quality of its sounds - E. and A. Pianos. And then came the day my Mark 7 was returned.... I will never forget and I am afraid nor does my brother in law. I opened the box and could not believe what the transport company has done to my musical instrument... the people who know me and where around cannot recall a day I have been as pale as in the
moment I saw this disaster. I closed the box, did not loose a word, slept over it and decided on the next day to send the "lemon" back. Tomann was shocked as well because of what happened during transport and they offered me immidiately a replacement. But as I was considering the Drawmer anyway and lovewe the CP1 I have come to the right decision that made me happy.

.... ooh a bit longer then I thought...

[ozy]

Now I remmeber: I read something about your nightmare with the mark 7 (possibly on gearslutz, then)... it was you then...

I see.

So, it's about your specific bad experince, not exactly the machine itself (even if... it adds to your impression of general sloppiness, which is not good for a 7000 bucks professional tool).

It sounds like a mellotron story of the 70s. Uhm...

Well, if I ever think of spending those 7 grands... I'll test mine in person and pick it up myself.

Message received, thx

with the exception of the Moog Voyager.

don't get me started on the building quality of the voyager... The fastest return-to-sender in my almost 40-years career.

And it was a nice American-German joint effort... US sloppines in hardware and German arrogance in software and customer support.

It worked like a US-built self-accelerating toyota and on the phone I was answered by the Claims department of the German Expedition Korps in Russia. I barely escaped being machine-gunned for asking a software patch...

Rudy Linhardt and the Moog "heirs", united in smearing the most revered name in electronic music...

See? You started me.

I better shut up.

[Rocness]

@rocness

sop you are looking for good rhodeses but yu still want to carry around the Oasys for using it as a karma-generator?

I want to trigger karma and midi from some hardware sequencers that I have like monomachine .

This is for studio use only. Thanks

[Rocness]

Yes ,I also love Oasys but combi mode is frustrating copying efx's for every single sound. So I mostly use Oasys in program mode.

You are really missing a lot Rocness if you do not use the Combinations. Some of my best E-Pianos only work because they are combined, several programs plus their EFX. Copying EFX is convenient by just choosing the command from the pull down menu and copying to the right slot. Twelve insert EFX is a lot and so far I never needed more. Hope to have time within the next weeks to record some of them and prove the power of Combination mode.
r

Yea your right I'm lazy sometimes. I just hate when I load a patch and copy effects then decide to change that patch and have to go empty the efxs routing aging and repeat this for the new patch. When trying to make a song
this can get frustrating .May be i'm just spoiled

[ozy]

this can get frustrating .May be i'm just spoiled

yep. You have a bad case of an illness called "common sense".

I hate that as well.

Yesterday I explained to a newcomer in another thread how to copy a simple - ok, not-so-simple effect... well, it took me 15 minutes just to point him to the correct menus. 3 menus for copying an effect? Come on...

[peter m. mahr]

Yea your right I'm lazy sometimes. I just hate when I load a patch and copy effects then decide to change that patch and have to go empty the efxs routing aging and repeat this for the new patch. When trying to make a song
this can get frustrating .May be i'm just spoiled

That is what you meant! This is indeed not very convenient.

[Rocness]

which I sent back and "replaced" it with a Drawmer S3 (which is a great piece of gear, by the way)
Peter

Hi Peter, small world I also just got the Drawmer S3 .
I'm still trying to learn how to use it. I would really appreciate if you can share your experiences with it in a pm to me .

Thanks

[peter m. mahr]

it's on the way

peter

[Rocness]

I have been a frequent gearslutz forum visitor and there were some "users" who never owned or even did not work or test the equipment they recommended. Therefore I am always a bit sceptical, this is not refering to you! At the end one has to decide on his own anyway...

I just saw that all my CP1 postings are in German, and even worse, I did not upload new audio demos, but for now, here is the CP1 link:
http://blog.petermmahr.com/category/yamaha-cp1/

And here is the one for the Mark 7, which I sent back and "replaced" it with a Drawmer S3 (which is a great piece of gear, by the way) http://blog.petermmahr.com/category/rhodes-mark-7/

Unless other stated all audio demos, fotos etc. are my property

Peter

I've been checking out the CP1 and it is looking quite impressive .