request for a new feature

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would you like it

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Re: request for a new feature

Post by iaoranaemaeva »

Assyrianpianist wrote:Your example for STS was little bit irrelavant to this, because with sounds, you can see the info before you audition them, but for vars?? you wouldn't know what they are, until you actually press the button , right?
Right, but, as in your present logical organisation, I would give some meaningfull (for me) name to each Var and Fill.
So, I vote yes!
I fear it's hopeless, if only because it would induce extra difficulties e.g. how to extend the Fill Mode function to all possible Variation pairs (5040 combinations instead of 6 :roll: )? :wink: :wink: :wink:
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Post by karmathanever »

Here's a little trick.....

If you want to have up to 5 extra VARs, then program FILLs 1,2,3,INTRO 2,ENDING 2 as if they were VARs - then you can use them as VARs by simply pressing them twice (quickly) - this causes them to loop repeatedly. OK - I guess you lose out on those elements..... etc....

(just press them twice and they will loop forever or until you select another element).


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Re: request for a new feature

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1) I would give some meaningfull (for me) name to each Var and Fill.

well, don't let any body stop you from giving them names. Whatever works for you!!!

So, I vote yes!
I fear it's hopeless, if only because it would induce extra difficulties

The only difficulty would be "double pressing" the buttons. There's no other difficulty! what do you mean by "extending the fill?"...
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Assyrianpianist wrote:There's no other difficulty! what do you mean by "extending the fill?"...
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karmathanever wrote:If you want to have up to 5 extra VARs, then program FILLs 1,2,3,INTRO 2,ENDING 2 as if they were VARs - then you can use them as VARs by simply pressing them twice (quickly) - this causes them to loop repeatedly.
+1 :) :) :) Sacrificing Intro 1 and Ending 1 doesn't hurt me :wink:
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Post by karmathanever »

iaoranaemaeva wrote:Sacrificing Intro 1 and Ending 1 doesn't hurt me
Intro 1 and Ending 1 may work OK just remember the differences between "Intro/Ending 1" and "Intro/Ending 2".

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karmathanever wrote:
iaoranaemaeva wrote:Intro 1 and Ending 1 may work OK just remember the differences between "Intro/Ending 1" and "Intro/Ending 2"
Of course Pete! I just wanted to say that, since IMHO most Intro/Ending 1 are unusable but for one specific song (you can't decently use them more than once during a gig, can you?) I won't suffer from diverting them, at times, to more useful resources e.g. new Variations as you suggested.

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Post by macboy »

I do not understand the problem of SEROS.

He says that he needs more variation, but he is afraid he forgets the "LOCK TEMPO" button.

But this is not a problem. Before you go to the party, you make sure you make the keyboard perfect for you suits.

Say SEROS uses "8 BEAT 1"

He can save "8 BEAT 1" with all the sounds and styles he likes. Then he changes some variation which he likes. Maybe in style edit, adding some fills, but maybe changing the bass, another bass. He can than SAVE each of the styles with ALL the same sounds on right and ALL the same tempo !!

8 BEAT 1a (bass 1, drum kit 1, STS 4 sounds, tempo 100)
8 BEAT 1b (bass 2, drum kit 1, STS 4 sounds, tempo 100)
8 BEAT 1c (bass 2, drum kit 2, STS 4 sounds, tempo 100)
8 BEAT 1d (different bass melody, STS 4 sounds, tempo 100)
etc
etc

Then he can save these 4 user styles with all tempo 100 and all STS and same performances. Then he has 4x4x4 variations = 64 different ones. But it is the same style and will sound exactly the same with small variations as he wishes.

Isn't this just the easiest solution where you do not need another requirement ?
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Post by Serop Bedros »

ok guys thanx for answering and being part of the discussion.
I think assyrian pianist understood my point very well...

The kind of performances I make are mostly medleys and most of the time it's not necessary to change the style completely and the only thing needed is just a short variation that will give the style another feel for a few moments and then back to the master style. sometimes I just want the drums playing with no percussion but in a different way than the rest of the style. That could be very useful if the singer wants to go on low tones and just playing the style calmly without all the percussions and acc and stuff, making a completely new style for only a small variation would be stupid and not to mention very clumsy.
I mostly make my own styles and never use downloaded styles cuz they simply don't include my own touch.
I play oriental, those who play the same style will know what I mean, and some of you guys already like the idea. :lol:
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Post by AVI6520 »

Asena-
OK guys, listen here, there is many Places we dont use, Like Style part, USER styles, Pick a style, * 8 beat( and Change it a litle beat, Cut down some parts, And use your NEW ideas, on it!
And do the same thing whit Same Style and make another change, And save it on USER style again , *8 beat 2* var 2 or like that, And you dont need the extra buttons, Comoon guys come whit better and more useful things, Not only a button whit 8 colors and bigger LCD or A satelit anten.
We have the same point as I see.

LEE-
my point is...lets say you are playing along and you want to mute (right hand) 1 sound, AND un-mute another QUICKLY...then in the next part of the song you want to mute that one again and un-mute the third at the same time..it's very hard to do that on the touch screen. Or even worst you want to change all three's mute status at the same time...WOW...tough on the touch screen.

Yes you can setup a STS to do all that...but you only have 4. Each STS can have options on 3 RH sounds, so you can mute...un-mute the sounds within 1 STS as you go, giving lots of sound flexiblity.

RH Parts 1, 2, 3, buttons are much easier to deal with when you want to change sounds as you go...QUICKLY. I wouls like to have Korg ADD those 3 buttons (and maybe one for LH). Not to take away anything from the touch screen at all.
I'm with you-
Now you will understand my suggestion-in the post-"DEAR PAOLO- for things for easy work", To have the ability with the EC5 or other assignable switch, to move in the 3UP it self, up and down, from 1UP to 2UP to 3UP, it is easier even from 3 new buttons in new PA3X, we can have it now with a new OS!

DEAR Assyrianpianist-
Avi, sorry i didn't read the entire post you wrote, but regarding a few things that cauthgt my eye here and there:
In time of reading all of it, you were saving the time of writing… :wink:
some songs can be broken into more than 4 sections, and i would never complain if one day korg give me the ability to program more than 4 vars
I'm agree with you, but we can still use 2 styles for long song, because 8 VAR for long song still make a need for mor then 3 FILL IN if you want to make a color to the song, so the trick to use the FILL IN bank for VAR dos not help so much!

So- my point again, way not just to use 2 styles then to ask 8 VAR and 6 FILL IN'S?

I know that the old KB in the past was having less VAR FILL INS and it always nice to have more, but the solution is here and easy!

[By the way to have too much, is not so simple for use, see what iaoranaemaeva have write, and I'm agree with it.
[…I would be unable to remember the differences between 8 "blind" variations - I mean without any mnemonic display like STS ones (remember STS in Pa80…]
And Serop Bedros speaking about 10 styles for a GIG, sure that it is boring!

Use more styles for the same song, [one after one continuation for the same song], and for all the songs, and do not call it more VAR in a style. And if VAR are missing way the FILL IN are not?
Get my point, way I cannot understand it.

So my vote- if it helps the others way not?
But if the problem is 10 styles in a GIG or in a song- way not just to use more styles for them?
One press on "next" in the song book and you has the 4 next VAR for the same song, it is the same style but you make it a little deferent with your touch as you want. [And have more FILL IN'S in the same time].
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AVI6520 wrote:One press on "next" in the song book and you has the 4 next VAR for the same song, it is the same style but you make it a little deferent with your touch as you want. [And have more FILL IN'S in the same time].
+1.

Next can be controlled by an Assignable Switch, Footswitch, EC5 :)
Previous does not exist, unfortunately :(
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Post by Autumn »

My wishes are simple:

STSs that are stay attached to Performances and not just to Styles.

An end to the unreasonable and offensive SET system.

Many more memory locations for sounds, Styles and Performances.

Ability to save modified Styles to new locations, ( Rather than having to cheat by sneaking through the Record department)

LEDs that don’t fail and render the keyboard to be untruthful regarding its status;

A user Manual that explains how to achieve all tasks rather than telling the user what the keyboard can do.

Keys that have the sharp corners removed...................

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A friendly computer interface that provides the ability to live edit......
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Autumn wrote:My wishes are simple:
+1 to all these wishes :D
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Ability to send a Sysex Message via USB/MIDI with each change of style and Performance so that other instruments can respond accordingly.......
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