Korg to release ARP Odyssey

Oldretro · Post by **Oldretro** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:49 pm

BasariStudios wrote:Let me ask all of you something: Did you guys figure out first the definition of Authentic???

The reason i ask is, do we really want Authentic? What is Authentic? How Authentic can it be?

No Patch Saving? Going Detune every few days or weeks? no PB?
Do we really want Authentic?

I certainly want authentic

At least an authentic sound. Everyone who has or had a real analog knows there is a big difference with virtual analog, I'm working with synthesizers since 1980, and used and still use Arp , Moog (including IIIP modular, although unfortunately not own one) Roland, Yamaha, Korg and the lot, and I can say analog has the character and fullness, that most virtual analogs and modern analogs (which I also have a few of) miss. Most of the analogs I bought, I still have, while almost all digital and virtual I owed were sold at some point. Only recently I discovered some virtual analogs from Korg that I like, like the KingKorg, Legacy and Kronos.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:36 pm

Oldretro, i understand, you are right, i owned quiet a few Analogs my self
but you are bisaed...i would be too...the ones you like are ONLY Korg.
Legacy...hmmm, really??? There is some VSTs that would put Legacy to shame.
Same goes for King Korg but this is not a topic about who's better.

My point is: First define Authentic then talk about it.
To ME personally Authentic means an Arp Oddy that was actually produced
in 1970-80, NOTHING else...or produced today from LEFTOVER part from over
3 decades ago.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:39 pm

Sharp wrote:
As an aside - Sharp - your Korg logos on this site are now out of date !!
lol.... Don't worry about it. It will come back into fashion at some point just like all the old Analog gear.

Sharp.

lol - but - will it be "authentic" ?

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:40 pm

Kronik wrote:Well, to be honest, if it's not "authentic" then what's the point of recreating something - If, for example, they change the design of the VCO's so that they're more stable etc, then you immediately loose of the character that the original had… you just end up with a generic so so analogue synth

Exactly my point. And we all know, NO, IT WILL NOT BE AUTHENTIC.
It will most likely Sound half of the real Oddy. THE ONLY way to sound
like a real Oddy is if it is AUTHENTIC...which we established a definition for.

Broadwave · Post by **Broadwave** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:01 pm

BasariStudios wrote:It will most likely Sound half of the real Oddy. THE ONLY way to sound
like a real Oddy is if it is AUTHENTIC...which we established a definition for.

Sorry Nedim… But why should it sound like half an Odyssey? I recently built a 2600 clone, I had to change a few transistors for modern equivalents, but it certainly doesn't sound like "half" of a 2600.

There's nothing, absolutely NOTHING electronically that can't be sourced for a new version (the only transistors that can't be sourced are the TZ51/851). Don't forget that the original is now 40+ years old, and what people now hear from an "authentic" Oddy, is a synth that basically has knackered components

If someone, by some miracle, found a brand new unused Oddy from '72 and compared it to one that's survived the past 40 odd years, I guarantee that they won't sound the same (not that any 2 Oddys ever did!) simply due to component degradation.

It may very well not be your definition of "authentic", but there's no reason for it NOT to SOUND exactly the same as a fresh OOTB Oddy from the '70's.

Anyway… I can't sit around debating all day… I've got a Minimoog clone to build (not joking!)

Oldretro · Post by **Oldretro** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:06 pm

BasariStudios wrote:Oldretro, i understand, you are right, i owned quiet a few Analogs my self
but you are bisaed...i would be too...the ones you like are ONLY Korg.
Legacy...hmmm, really??? There is some VSTs that would put Legacy to shame.
Same goes for King Korg but this is not a topic about who's better.

My point is: First define Authentic then talk about it.
To ME personally Authentic means an Arp Oddy that was actually produced
in 1970-80, NOTHING else...or produced today from LEFTOVER part from over
3 decades ago.

I never used VST's so you could be right. About Legacy: I think it has character because they are modelled after the originals. Something similar with the KingKorg filters. If you think authentic must only mean the originals or made with the old stock parts, then yes that would be authentic in the real sence of the word. But to me it's all about the character of sound, not the parts. I think here we differ in opinion. BTW, I'm not biased about Korg (until recently I haven't bought any Korg since the Wavestation!!) , I also like the older Nord Lead, Modular G1, and Access Virus A, I really meant the more recent crop of virtual analogs (that I know of).

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:06 pm

BasariStudios wrote:And we all know, NO, IT WILL NOT BE AUTHENTIC.
It will most likely Sound half of the real Oddy. THE ONLY way to sound
like a real Oddy is if it is AUTHENTIC...which we established a definition for.

Nedim, I have no idea why you think that an Odyssey reissue, built analog according to the old sound design and guided by one from the original staff, should not sound authentic? "Authentic" is no complicated term in this context, by the way: it just means that a reissue sounds (nearly) like the original, because the circuit is built according to the original specs.

We all have to wait for the result, but my guess from the announcement is that it will sound pretty much like the Odysseys did sound in new condition.

aron · Post by **aron** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:33 pm

I really didn't mind the PPC on my Odyssey. It's not as good as a wheel but better than a knob.

Although I like analog synths, to me the virtual synths are much easier to use live due to stable oscillators and the use of effects and programs.

That being said, wow, I love the design of the 70's and 80's. Something about the controls and the promise they had back then. I wish I could find the ARP Odyssey ad where it talked about the huge number of saxophone and instrument sounds it could make! hah!

dexfx69 · Post by **dexfx69** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:51 am

Joe Gerardi wrote:The Mini was richer, more sonorous.

That's the thing, the Arp machine is more raw and gutteral souding than the tamer MiniMoog. This is why I people love it. Neither is superior to the other, just different flavors.

Joe Gerardi · Post by **Joe Gerardi** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:30 pm

Really? I always thought the Mini was far more raw. It could certainly shake the dust off the speaker cones...

And could easily blow up a speaker if you weren't careful.

..Joe

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:44 pm

So can my Voyager yet most would describe it as smoother even than the original Mini. That's the problem with these opinions/descriptions.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:43 pm

Maybe Korg can redo one of these next! Поливокс
I think that's the correct Cyrillic spelling, the internet isn't always correct!

el_hombre · Post by **el_hombre** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:01 pm

Those things look beast. I've been wanting one of those for years. The price barrier has always got in the way though. The last time I came close to getting one, I ended up getting an SH-2 instead on acount of it was a bit cheaper including the shipping.
They seem like they're always around though so one of these days...

RKfan · Post by **RKfan** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:42 pm

Just wondering....

I trust korg will make the new Odyssey to sound as good as the old one. I have been thinking that it would be great to move on from the 70s and bring the Ody into the 21st century. After all what would be bad if it had velocity sensitivity, aftertouch, patch memories and effects (apart from the last one making it sound different)? Roland brought some of their old machines up to date with the Aira which was a great move.

The Other day I played a microbrute (wanted to try the minibrute but they didnt have it in stock) and a Bass Station II and although the Brutes can make some great sounds (although I failed to make any) the patch memory on the the Novation makes it a more attractive product.

Now, if the Odyssey had memory (cf System 1) and the ODY sound and aftertouch (not on the System 1) it would be a real killer...

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:03 pm

why not get System 1 if you're after that?

I want a monosynth without memories - it 'forces' a different mind set - one where storing my sounds isn't an option so the only thing I do with it is play and experiment - an equally valid but different experience. The minute you put memory banks on an instrument, people tend to stop experimenting on it (broad statement I know but broadly true - over 90% of P5's returned for service had the original programs on them with no new sounds created).

Also - while I adore aftertouch (absolutely adore it), there are times when you don't want it (or velocity). The minimoog is a very successful case in point!

Basic point - there's a place for monosynths that have no memory banks velocity or aftertouch. Not lesser, just different (and important to have that type of option).

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