Legendary Strings EX?

[michelkeijzers]

Michel, I cant understand why anyone would apologize ...or even allow any tolerance for people like Peter Jung and Karo..?? Why would you even send a guy like that your hard earned file you created..for Kronos users to enjoy and use on a personal level?? You mean you trust him after all that?? After him posting as he did..Spamming, creating multiple accounts to deceive then erasing all his posts to cover his A**?? And then Karo comes on denying working with him, calling Sharp a liar on his own website ??

You get rock-stoned here for posting about other mfgr keyboards i.e Roland ..but its all OK when this guy from Karo Sound does what he has done?? Jimknopf threatened to leave over someone posting about the Jupiter 80 in his threads, but then says we should wait for an apology from Karo?? Talk about being hypocritical??

You'll find these guys wont apologize for anything because he believes they have done nothing wrong...and will cover up any BS he can with lies...as he already has!! And anyone that believes that member oasys76 isnt a part or member of Karo Sound is sadly very very ignorant!!

Oh wait..I just edited this and added this.. maybe we should edit and delete our posts because they may sue us???

I really don't know exactly what I should think of this thread at all.

I have written in one of the first posts in this thread that I would not send out code anymore, however, it was not personally meant to Peter Jung. I would love to give my code to anybody but I think after reading these kind of posts it could possibly be that my source code could be of some value to companies or people earning money with it which is not my intention.

So I apologized that not giving source code anymore was due to him personally.

I am not here to fight with others. Sometimes I give my honest opinion which may be different than what others think. But foremost I want to create PCG Tools and improve its functionality and in return get feedback and participate in discussions.

However, I prefer technical discussions instead of personal fights. If Peter Jung works with Karo, I don't know and I also don't mind much. If he wants to use my app ok.

[BasariStudios]

I should make my self clear since i have a lot of respect for RC-IA and know
him for a while, i respect Karo and i respect Cello, me and Cello have constantly
being dissagreeing but it was always on a respectfull level.

1. I am a third party develloper, some are familiar with my work some are not,
i have hundreds of customers in here and friends. I must dissagree with Cello
on this too. Originally i created a Set for PA80 and Triton back in the begining
of 2000. I use the EXACT same KMPs and Styles, at least most of them all
thruought the time, Triton Xtreme, PA1XPro, M3, PA800/2X now Kronos and 3X.
I've always claimed it is NEW MATERIAL, i did retweak, did Mixing, added few
other KMPs and Styles and claimed it as new, i saw and see nothing wrong
with it since noone complained and whoever bought it liked it. Was not selling
a cat iin a bag (i dont think Karo is doing either, they have their Demos) so
basically one can like it or not, buy it or not. I dont think it will affect bussines.
What can affect bussines is point 2.

2. I saw the original post Kurt made where he claimed he never heard of P.J.
and then everything changed, i was even offended at a collective level becuse
a lot of us in here know each other long, helped each other, gained reputation
and helped build this community. When the response changed it was shocking
to me and disrespectfull. I am the one to admit that once in a while i overreact
and put stupid things forward (as in the case of Korg few days ago which i
deleted everything and apologized to my coleagues and friends at Korg's Staff)
but with time i realized that THIS can hurt bussines not Marketing it as new or old.
Lets see what happens, i am not trying to put more gas on the fire.

As to RC-IA, maybe we just missunderstand each other and no hard feelings.

[RC-IA]

No problem Nedim, thanx.

[EXer]

I have written in one of the first posts in this thread that I would not send out code anymore

You're entitled to do what you want with your own code and I fully understand your concern of being ripped off. I would just like to draw your attention on the risk of losing your code. For sure you are aware of it, but it does not hurt to say it again: please make several back-ups on different supports!

I remember FSeq Edit which was a really great software. Unfortunately its author lost the code so this great software came to a dead end, and a very useful and much awaited improvement, that is logarithmic representation of the frequencies, could not be implemented. This would not have happened had he disclosed the code...

[X-Trade]

I have written in one of the first posts in this thread that I would not send out code anymore

You're entitled to do what you want with your own code and I fully understand your concern of being ripped off. I would just like to draw your attention on the risk of losing your code. For sure you are aware of it, but it does not hurt to say it again: please make several back-ups on different supports!

I remember FSeq Edit which was a really great software. Unfortunately its author lost the code so this great software came to a dead end, and a very useful and much awaited improvement, that is logarithmic representation of the frequencies, could not be implemented. This would not have happened had he disclosed the code...

Indeed I once had a really fantastic computer game I was working on, thousands of lines of code and almost a year's work. In the process of trying to back it up from my removable hard drive to my first laptop with a DVD-R drive (yeah, this was a while ago), the hard disk drive was destroyed whilst spinning.. Now I only have an early demo version that was on my webserver..

[michelkeijzers]

I have written in one of the first posts in this thread that I would not send out code anymore

You're entitled to do what you want with your own code and I fully understand your concern of being ripped off. I would just like to draw your attention on the risk of losing your code. For sure you are aware of it, but it does not hurt to say it again: please make several back-ups on different supports!

I remember FSeq Edit which was a really great software. Unfortunately its author lost the code so this great software came to a dead end, and a very useful and much awaited improvement, that is logarithmic representation of the frequencies, could not be implemented. This would not have happened had he disclosed the code...

Indeed I once had a really fantastic computer game I was working on, thousands of lines of code and almost a year's work. In the process of trying to back it up from my removable hard drive to my first laptop with a DVD-R drive (yeah, this was a while ago), the hard disk drive was destroyed whilst spinning.. Now I only have an early demo version that was on my webserver..

I know it is important to have a backup. I have to admit I'm not always making backups frequently, or the backup is just on 2 harddisks in my computer or one external which is at home. However I am planning to send at least the source code every few weeks as email to my work so it is there and also on the mail server. That should do it.

I also have lost source code in history but those projects were just small or unfinished. One program was lost because it was for a commodore 64 and I couldn't load it anymore on my later Amiga (and it was on tape).

Maybe I also should sent the code to a few people I trust on KorgForums to have additional backup.

[vEddY]

I really don't know exactly what I should think of this thread at all.

I believe that's the only thing we can conclude from this unbelieveable discussion. Whataver-to-f*** is going on here, there are simple and very easy to read forum instructions about things like that. Yet, seeing what I saw in the industry, this isn't an exception to the "rule", it's a rule itself.

From the idiots at Eastwest forums to things happening at gearslutz at times, you can see the ugly side of forums in action every freakin' day. And people luring other people in ways even worse then this one.

As a matter of principle, it would be advisable to lock all of KARO forum accounts until the matter is resolved. If someone feels that he or she cannot be held accountable for things he or she did or publicly said, then it's a matter of pure reason to get people like that the f**k away from this non-profit forum. That's what I did in situations like these at every forum which I administered.

Just my 2c.

[Sharp]

As of now, I have temporary disabled all accounts until the matter is resolved to my satisfaction.

The rules regarding advertising on this website very clearly state the following.

Advertising Products
KORG Forums is an advertisement free website in sense that you are not allowed promote your own products without meeting certain expectations and never without permission.

In order for you to receive permission you must first take part in the forum as a regular member and prove yourself to be someone interested in helping your fellow musicians and not someone here just looking to make a profit.

If you are given permission to promote your products on the forum then you are expected to adhere to the following conditions.

You can make a maximum of 1 post a month detailing a new product or new offer you may have. You are not allowed to use your 1 post a month just to draw attention to your products. Only genuine new news can be announced. In order to get every day exposure for your products, place a small banner in your signature profile. This graphic can be no larger than 600X30. The more you help out by replying to threads, the more people will see your banner. This is also a good way to earn respect on the forum from our members. Respect is priceless and it will go a long way to help you sell your products.

[sparkie]

+1 Sharp...

Thats why Karo Sounds had all his friends, workers and buddies all get accounts here so he could "pump up" and cheerlead all his products..ask questions when its going to be released etc.. etc.. .. For free I might add also!! Maybe Korg should or will remove them from their website also..??

For the prices he charges for sounds, he can afford "To Pay For" website banner advertising!!

[Sharp]

I have received the following email from KARO to which I have sent back my reply. KARO are not going to discuss anything with me, so I will post their email as requested by them here on the forums, and I will post my reply to them in the next post.

As well as my conclusion. Then I'm done with this.....

Hi James,
I was trying to post my last message at KF,

But you banned me before!

you can find my statement...

I just want to let you know that we have completed twenty-two libraries special made for the KORG KRONOS, including our documentation. We believe that the libraries will be available to the public, soon. Everyone is welcome to test them and comments are appreciated.

We have several further libs in the completion process within the next approximately four weeks. So, there is some more to come.

Regarding the accounts that were under discussion, we find it hard to see that we abused any, “fooling” people. Let me once more give some background.

The account “peterjung-ikt” has not been active since February 2010. It will not be used because Peter lost his access data over a year ago .

The account “P.J.” has never posted anything. It was created just for a single PM to Michel Keijzers who was so kind to respond. Peter explained to Sharp that this account with a new email address was necessary because his regular email account blocks all software sent to it. He had problems exchanging software with KORG Japan with his regular email account, so he had to create a second one. I am not going into details here because of confidentiality. Even in the case of the request sent to Michel Keijzers and Michel Keijzers’s email to Peter, the second email account Peter has considered Michel Keijzers’s message as spam! You may check with Michel Keijzers if you wish. I am sure that he will confirm this. Sharp received a copy of the respective email that Peter sent to Michel Keijzers. We are not expecting him to believe in these words, though.

The account “SoWi” has 26 posts. We cannot find that there was anything wrong with these few postings, there were no spam ads of whatever kind. Anyway, the contents of most postings are gone, except for a handful that were left deliberately for information to KF users.

Sharp was quite upset about the “SoWi” posting “This forum is the new ‘Circus Maximus’”. Well, what Peter told us about the aspect of the “Circus Maximus” is the following: All of us seem to be educated people. So, we certainly all know that the ancient “Circus Maximus” in Rome was the particular arena in which (un)guilty victims were chased and killed by wild animals and also by gladiators. I am not mentioning the gladiator fights, at all. So, this very brief information does not cover all aspects of the “Circus Maximus”. Many spectators gathered in the ancient “Circus Maximus” for entertainment. It became historical evidence at the latest when the first Christians, including Saint Peter – who denied knowing Jesus Christ for three times on a single evening –, where killed in this very “Circus Maximus”. We are sure that this comparison (KF being the new “Circus Maximus”) was not meant to offend any KF member, so everyone is kindly invited to accept our sincerest apologies in the case he feels insulted. The comparison just refers to a somehow grotesque situation. Anyway, so much for pathos.

As stated earlier, oasys76 is not affiliated with us.

Just make yourselves aware of the fact that many forum members are not using their given names and certainly several are hiding their identity, also. I am not mentioning any names, but you will find out by checking yourselves.

If you find these explanations inappropriate, Sharp, you are more than welcome to block our accounts.

Best wishes,
Kurt

[jimknopf]

Concerning Sparkie's post: ohh, great
One more malevolent clueless child comment.

After badmouthing the Kronos at any possible occasion, in extremely idiotic ways, now the proposal that Korg should not add the excellent Karo libraries to their page?

The result would be that not only Sparkie, who neither has nor likes a Kronos, nor has ever contributed anything useful here, can't have direct Korg download access to them (what a pity for him), but we Korg users as well? Based on what??? How ultra-dumb is such a suggestion???
I'm really glad hardly anyone here takes these posts serious.

Similarly the witch hunt proposition to see a Karo agent sitting behind every bush now in Mc-Carthy like style. I'm glad Sharp is cool-headed enough not to act in such a silly way or get paranoid facing a problem.

We are here to solve occuring problems and enjoy the Kronos, not to make the situation for Kronos users unpleasant, and certainly not for the sake of people sitting on the fence like little vultures waiting for prey.

[Sharp]

And now for my reply to their email which they choose not to engage in addressing.

I'm using the Quote Tags so you can follow the discussion.

HI Kurt.

Thank you for your email as I hope we can resolve all this.

I was trying to post my last message at KF,
But you banned me before!

As posted on the forum, I have just now temporarily disabled your accounts until the matter is resolved. All of your accounts are perfectly intact. If your explanations are satisfactory, I will reactivate your accounts and clear your name by making a post detailing the results of our communications.

I just want to let you know that we have completed twenty-two libraries special made for the KORG KRONOS, including our documentation. We believe that the libraries will be available to the public, soon. Everyone is welcome to test them and comments are appreciated.

Wow, you guys have been very busy. I'm sure they will be very successful considering the new delivery method of EXs streaming, demo versions and copy protection.

The account “peterjung-ikt” has not been active since February 2010. It will not be used because Peter lost his access data over a year ago .

This is very weak, if he loss the access data, he could have simply pressed Forgot Password option and the server would have sent him a new one.

The account “P.J.” has never posted anything. It was created just for a single PM to Michel Keijzers who was so kind to respond. Peter explained to Sharp that this account with a new email address was necessary because his regular email account blocks all software sent to it. He had problems exchanging software with KORG Japan with his regular email account, so he had to create a second one. I am not going into details here because of confidentiality. Even in the case of the request sent to Michel Keijzers and Michel Keijzers’s email to Peter, the second email account Peter has considered Michel Keijzers’s message as spam! You may check with Michel Keijzers if you wish. I am sure that he will confirm this. Sharp received a copy of the respective email that Peter sent to Michel Keijzers. We are not expecting him to believe in these words, though.

No, the conversion I had with Peter is online for all to see. The emails you refer to happened well after any discussions I had with him and are nothing but an attempt to cover his actions long after the event took place.

Simple fact is he got caught and was extremely evasive when questioned. At points even telling me there is no explanation and I will just have to live with that. Putting an excuse in an email much later and sending it to someone else with me CC'ed is a very poor effort to cover ones tracks. As I said, his actual communications with me when all this was happening is online for all to see.

The account “SoWi” has 26 posts. We cannot find that there was anything wrong with these few postings, there were no spam ads of whatever kind. Anyway, the contents of most postings are gone, except for a handful that were left deliberately for information to KF users.

No, peter deleted the content in order to cover his tracks. If there was nothing wrong with what he had posted, he would have not tried to hide everything.

Sharp was quite upset about the “SoWi” posting “This forum is the new ‘Circus Maximus’”. Well, what Peter told us about the aspect of the “Circus Maximus” is the following: All of us seem to be educated people. So, we certainly all know that the ancient “Circus Maximus” in Rome was the particular arena in which (un)guilty victims were chased and killed by wild animals and also by gladiators. I am not mentioning the gladiator fights, at all. So, this very brief information does not cover all aspects of the “Circus Maximus”. Many spectators gathered in the ancient “Circus Maximus” for entertainment. It became historical evidence at the latest when the first Christians, including Saint Peter – who denied knowing Jesus Christ for three times on a single evening –, where killed in this very “Circus Maximus”. We are sure that this comparison (KF being the new “Circus Maximus”) was not meant to offend any KF member, so everyone is kindly invited to accept our sincerest apologies in the case he feels insulted. The comparison just refers to a somehow grotesque situation. Anyway, so much for pathos.

Again, immaterial.
This all happened long after the event took place, and by email which were delivered with threats of legal action against me. This is nothing but an attempt to tick boxes to say he has tried to explain himself, when in fact he refused to when originally asked. Poor explanations long after the event took place do not count and as response when questioned. Hindsight is a wonderful thing to twist to his benefit at this late stage.

As stated earlier, oasys76 is not affiliated with us.

Please then explain why for countless posts user oasys76 who is by far the most curious person on the forums about KARO products asks a question about KARO products, to which you reply to from the exact same IP address.

Just make yourselves aware of the fact that many forum members are not using their given names and certainly several are hiding their identity, also. I am not mentioning any names, but you will find out by checking yourselves.

Can you tell me who they are so I can verify what your saying as the truth. Are these people breaking clearly stated forum rules by promoting the sales of their software through the means of gorilla marketing?

If you find these explanations inappropriate, Sharp, you are more than welcome to block our accounts.

They are very unsatisfactory. The questions I have for you are as follows.
Why did you called me a Liar on the forums.
Why did you lie by deny even knowing Peter when you have known him for 25 years.
Why did you changed what you said on the forums.
Why does user oasys76 post questions about KARO all the time, to which you reply with the exact same IP over and over again.

The questions I have about Peter as as follows.
Why was he evasive straight away telling me I just have to live with things unexplained.
Why did he delete all his posts under the SoWi account he was accused of using to spam the board.
Why did he have 3 known accounts on the forum.
Why did he pretend to be a regular member of the forum and answer KARO threads in the third person.

There are many questions Kurt that suggest strongly misleading activity and breaches of forums rules which I must uphold.

If you have no interest to explain yourself, then we are done. I will say and do no more about this issue.

If you do wish to answer the questions I asked, I'm here and totally open to discussing them with you. At least that way we can move on and put all this behind us.

I DO NOT want to fight. I thought you were a friend and I've been very good to KARO allowing guys to continuously promote your software on the forums.

Regards
James

It is with great regret that because KARO are unwilling to enter into any furthur discussion to address the issues raised that I have no choice but to permanently ban all members of KARO.

I wish them success in the future, and I have no doubts many people here will enjoy their sounds libraries over the years to come.

Kind regards
Sharp.

[Pepperpotty]

Concerning Sparkie's post: ohh, great
One more malevolent cluess child comment.

After badmouthing the Kronos at any possible occasion, in extremely idiotic ways, now the proposal that Korg should not add the excellent Karo libraries to their page?

The result would be that not only Sparkie, who neither has nor likes a Kronos, nor has ever contributed anything useful here, can't have direct Korg download access to them (what a pity for him), but we Korg users as well? Based on what??? How ultra-dumb is such a suggestion???
I'm really glad hardly anyone here takes these posts serious.

Similarly the witch hunt proposition to see a Karo agent sitting behind every bush now in Mc-Carthy like style. I'm glad Sharp is cool-headed enough not to act in such a silly way or get paranoid facing a problem.

We are here to solve occuring problems and enjoy the Kronos, not to make the situation for Kronos users unpleasant, and certainly not for the sake of people sitting on the fence like little vultures waiting for prey.

I think that Sparkie was suggesting that Korg remove their libraries from their website. The libraries would still be available from Karo's website, so it would not stop people from obtaining the samples.

I would completely understand it if Korg chose not to affiliate themselves with a company who conducted themselves in such an under handed way.

[jimknopf]

I agree with Sharp on banning Karo accounts.
Kurt's anwer was not convincing in any way.

What Korg does with Karo libraries on their website is their business.
And yes, I regard any proposition to relate one to the other as utterly childish and dumb.

[Bertotti]

I truly hope the ban doesn't include RC-IA, I have usually found some good info in his posts. I hope he wasn't participating in these questionable tactics but I think he explained he wasn't.