aron wrote:
>Sina: But the Jupiter-80 really seems to be the ULTIMATE in synthesis!
Come on. If you are a real synthesis hound, there's no way the Jupiter 80 beats the Kronos for _synthesizing_. You have to be kidding me. I'm sorry, but if you really do synthesis, you cannot compare the Jupiter to the Kronos - or even to the PC3k.
I'm not talking about owning multiple keyboards, I mean if you really love synthesis....
Really aron? I'm not sure what you could totally mean by this statement, but it sounds just a little un-objectively biased to me. Granted Kronos has 4 maybe 5 synthesis-focused "engines" onboard. So I'll concede that Kronos has *more* synthesis possibilities in it. But to suggest that somehow the synthesis onboard the JP80 "cannot be compared" to the Kronos (or PC3K) is just an uninformed statement. (respectfully my friend.....only debating your point ). Sure you might argue the individual merits of each type of synthesis, and the programming possibilities of each.....and you will find strengths and weaknesses in each. But the JP80 synthesis structure is *quite* impressive. Yes...Kronos gives you more *types* of synthesis. But trust me....Jupiter 80 is no joke! I am not kidding you, and I really love synthesis.
Lou wrote:Getting back to the subject, perhaps the editor will bring forth additional empty banks?
That would be great. It would also be really good if there is a librarian included in the editor. Copying or moving programs is certainly not extremely difficult directly on the Kronos, but moving several really takes some time. If that feature were well implemented in the editor, those of us who would like to have a free EXi and HD1 bank in our most typical working set of programs could get there more easily.
JMO, but I think it will come to be. It's software, there is no reason that this cannot be had..
I'm sure there is a very good reason for the hold-up on the release.
That's exactly what I mean. Plus you can chain different synthesis methods and you can sample. The Jupiter is closer to a powerful analog synthesizer. The Kronos is way more. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
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aron wrote:> Kronos gives you more *types* of synthesis.
That's exactly what I mean. Plus you can chain different synthesis methods and you can sample. The Jupiter is closer to a powerful analog synthesizer. The Kronos is way more. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
Now that you clarified it....it is perfectly clear. And I agree 100%.
It was the "you cannot compare" "if you love synthesis" comments that was not clear.
I'm currently thinking about making a (simple) librarian if Korg doesn't make a good one. I still am thinking about one PCG on the left and one on the right to change or a sort of 'master' database with all sou nds.
"to support separately banks and dumps for different engines"
If the Kronos is like the K2000, then different engines might have different sized data. That was the one thing I liked about Roland - I could almost make the editor configure itself because their sysex was so easy.
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michelkeijzers wrote:I'm currently thinking about making a (simple) librarian if Korg doesn't make a good one. I still am thinking about one PCG on the left and one on the right to change or a sort of 'master' database with all sou nds.
michelkeijzers wrote:I'm currently thinking about making a (simple) librarian if Korg doesn't make a good one. I still am thinking about one PCG on the left and one on the right to change or a sort of 'master' database with all sou nds.
Man that would be great!
Thanks ... I think even a master DB would have a lot of options. Don't know if I can make the time for it tough.
However the idea is (in small not to bend this topic):
- importing program(s)/combi(s)/set list(s) from a PCG into the DB.
you can select to overwrite/auto rename or keep the DB.
- exporting program(s)/combi(s)/set list(s) from the DB to a PCG.
When importing or exporting a combi, all programs need to be connected right. This has some consequences:
- when importing/exporting a combi you can be sure the combi will sound exactly like it was.
- when exporting combis there needs to be sufficient room for the needed programs. In worst case when exporting 100 combis you need 1600 program spaces.
And I also can think of other features:
- Move around programs while keeping combinations intact.
- Sort all programs by name/category, leaving combinations intact. (of course I cannot change the EXI/HD1 bank hard select).
As i said a while ago...i still fail to understand who is crazy enough in the
world to compare JP80 and Kronos...is chicken really better then cake or
the opposite? Is broccolli better tasting then Strawberry?
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BasariStudios wrote:As i said a while ago...i still fail to understand who is crazy enough in the
world to compare JP80 and Kronos...is chicken really better then cake or
the opposite? Is broccolli better tasting then Strawberry?
I actually "get" why people compare these two:
1. Both new release flagship keyboards from two of the big-3.
2. Similar price point, both of which are quite expensive by most standards.
3. Both touted by the manufacturer as being a "game changer" or "modern classic"....pretty TALL words in either camp.
4. Both heavily weighted in synthesis AND acoustic sounds.
Based on my second point, the price point, I can certainly see why most would want to explore and compare prior to choosing to drop such a significant amount of money on one or the other.
However......from the perspective *certain* features and functionality....there is no comparison (as I said in my JP80 review in another thread) because while there is some over-lap in features and qualities between the two....the vast majority of features and qualities of the Kronos does not exist in the JP80. It was not designed to contain those features and qualities. Not a workstation, not a sampler, not an HDR, not a sequencer, not a control surface, etc etc etc. If you seek a robust all-in-one state of the art workstation keyboard.....there is NOTHING on the market that compares to a Kronos today. If you seek a world class synthesizer or performance keyboard......take a look at the JP80. Otherwise....comparisons on 80% of the fundamental functionality cannot be made, due to the non-existence of those key features in the JP80. However, what the Kronos cannot do (as well, anyways) is sound like, and accomplish, what the JP80 is designed to do best.
Looks like this thread was observed Kronos v1.5 will be providing more banks!!!!!
Kronik wrote:KRONOS system version 1.5, program expansion, such as bank users...
KRONOS system version 1.5 will be available mid-October.
Provide programs and expand the number of user bank
Program, wave sequence, the user bank of drum kits, each seven (USER-USER from AA-GG) to expand. These additions to the bank, or a series of professional sound KRS KRONOS sound library, you can save and create custom sounds. Bank programs have been added, the bank is accessible by front panel switch.
INT-USER for example, by simultaneously pressing the D-D, USER will select the DD-bank added.
michelkeijzers wrote:I agree, on the other hand, just wipe one bank and load it separately when you need it. If necessary you can check with my app what is used or what you want to move.
Mac version considered yet?
michelkeijzers wrote:People would also have complained if their would be too many empty banks probably.
That's one of the things I'm going to be trying this weekend. My goals are to get the tools working in Linux using Wine and to get the Audio interface to be recognized in Jack.
EnjoyRC wrote:Looks like this thread was observed Kronos v1.5 will be providing more banks!!!!!
Kronik wrote:KRONOS system version 1.5, program expansion, such as bank users...
KRONOS system version 1.5 will be available mid-October.
Provide programs and expand the number of user bank
Program, wave sequence, the user bank of drum kits, each seven (USER-USER from AA-GG) to expand. These additions to the bank, or a series of professional sound KRS KRONOS sound library, you can save and create custom sounds. Bank programs have been added, the bank is accessible by front panel switch.
INT-USER for example, by simultaneously pressing the D-D, USER will select the DD-bank added.
I'm lovin' it!!! Guess I'll just have to hunker down and enjoy the couple thousand sounds and endless tweaking of the current programs until then!
). Sure you might argue the individual merits of each type of synthesis, and the programming possibilities of each.....and you will find strengths and weaknesses in each. But the JP80 synthesis structure is *quite* impressive. Yes...Kronos gives you more *types* of synthesis. But trust me....Jupiter 80 is no joke! I am not kidding you, and I really love synthesis.
