Soon to be owner of a Kronos

[Matthew1971]

Hi,

new to the forum and will soon be purchasing a Kronos, for the last few years I have been the owner of a Roland FA

My enquiry is about live play

so if i perform Mr Blue Sky which has 3 parts and as I understand it I would need;

- A programme for Piano
- A combi (with layers and splits)
- another combi with layers and splits

So my question is, could you put these 3 items into a single set list slot called Mr Blue Sky

and if so, how you could navigate between the 3, could you use an inc and dec pedal?

Appreciate any help given.

Matthew

[KK]

Yep. You have 128 setlists of 128 progs/combis at your disposal, so 16 384 slots available in the order you want. You can also use a pedal for inc or dec.

[StephenKay]

Hi,

So my question is, could you put these 3 items into a single set list slot called Mr Blue Sky

and if so, how you could navigate between the 3, could you use an inc and dec pedal?

No, not exactly. The previous reply was helpful, but not entirely correct.

You can put those 3 items into 3 consecutive set list slots in one of the set lists. And yes, then you can use a pedal to switch between them. But it would be 3 different slots.

Also, and I'm not an expert on this since I don't do live performances, but you can only use a pedal to either inc or dec - not both (unless perhaps you program a programmable pedal in a custom way). However, that simply means that if, for example, you can only use the pedal to move to the next slot, then you might put those slots in the set list more than once. You might have, for your performance of Blue Sky:

slot 1: piano
slot 2: split 1
slot 3: split 2
slot 4: piano (again)
slot 5: split 2 again ... and so on, for however many changes you need.

There are plenty of slots, and plenty of set lists.

Of course, you can use the key pad or inc/dec buttons to go back and forth, so you could get away with 3 slots if you want to navigate from the keyboard.

If I'm wrong about this, I'm sure someone will let me know.

[Mike Conway]

so if i perform Mr Blue Sky which has 3 parts and as I understand it I would need;

- A programme for Piano
- A combi (with layers and splits)
- another combi with layers and splits

So my question is, could you put these 3 items into a single set list slot called Mr Blue Sky

and if so, how you could navigate between the 3, could you use an inc and dec pedal?

It might be possible to put all of those into a single combi and use KARMA Switching. Scene 1 would be the piano, Scene 2, the first split/layer, Scene 3, the second split/layer. Scene 4,5,6... any combination of each.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OaglzcDoy0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0OUOgihAs


A foot pedal can be used to change Scenes.

[StephenKay]

It might be possible to put all of those into a single combi and use KARMA Switching. Scene 1 would be the piano, Scene 2, the first split/layer, Scene 3, the second split/layer. Scene 4,5,6... any combination of each.

Well, that's also true - you would think I, if anybody, would have suggested that.

It's more work than making multiple set list slots, but ultimately more flexible.

[jere]

A foot pedal can be used to change Scenes.

Hi, could you please elaborate this a bit more? How do you do that?

I'm using Karma scenes for changing sounds (1-4 scenes) by pressing Karma switch buttons 1-4, but didn't realise that it is possible to change the scenes by pedal Inc / Dec?

[GregC]

IMO go with set list

It should be simpler

Especially for a new k owner simple is better

[tunaman]

Agreed. There are plenty of Setlists and slots per Setlist to leverage them for this purpose, and it is very simple to have the Setlist increment via foot switch.

For instance, I have four consecutive slots assigned for Africa, each used for the different sections of the song, with the first and last being identical. The second and third include the voices required for the two solo parts.

Same with Wanted Dead Or Alive.

In that particular Setlist, I have around 50 slots total set up sequentially for the songs being performed, and the Setlist slot management makes it simple to move and rearrange them as needed for a specific gig or performance.

It also allows for one-touch changes if someone calls an audible.

[StephenKay]

I agree that a new owner should use the set list for this; creating a combi with multiple "setups" inside it, all with the effects required, and then setting up KARMA to be able to switch parts is not something trivial.

But to answer this:

I'm using Karma scenes for changing sounds (1-4 scenes) by pressing Karma switch buttons 1-4, but didn't realise that it is possible to change the scenes by pedal Inc / Dec?

Scenes can be changed with CC#30, values 0 to 7 equal scenes 1 to 8. So you just need a programmable pedal that can be setup to send CC#30 with different values. You just have to make sure that Global > Controllers > KARMA Controllers is sset to the Default Assignments.

There is also a foot switch setting of "KARMA Scenes", but this is less flexible as it only advances to the next scene with each press of a standard foot pedal, and then loops back to scene 1 at the end.

[GregC]

taking the conversation further and into another context [ apologies ].

To use the Karma Scenes in my SEQ songs is a blast. And the program/instrument timing is rock solid on switching from 1 scene to another.

Simply a great feature and another solid reason to buy a Kronos today.

[Mike Conway]

I'm using Karma scenes for changing sounds (1-4 scenes) by pressing Karma switch buttons 1-4, but didn't realise that it is possible to change the scenes by pedal Inc / Dec?

In Global, I assign FOOT SW to KARMA SCENE.




Like Stephen says, that method is only INC. But you could easily have switches 1 - 4 be repeated by 5 - 8, and just cycle through.

IMO go with set list

It should be simpler

Especially for a new k owner simple is better

Agreed, especially if it's just straight forward switching of program to combi to combi. If that doesn't work for his needs, he can fall back on the other.

[jere]

In Global, I assign FOOT SW to KARMA SCENE.

Mike, Stephen - thanks for the prompt answers!

I'm already using the foot switch for changing the Leslie speed, so I guess it wouldn't work for me (because the foot switch is assigned to sw 1 in the global).

Personally I find this karma scene switching better than using separate setlist slots. For instance this is the only way I'm sure the smooth sound transition works 100% every time. And also I like the way of having a one song containing all the sounds in one setlist slot.

[tunaman]

It might be possible to put all of those into a single combi and use KARMA Switching. Scene 1 would be the piano, Scene 2, the first split/layer, Scene 3, the second split/layer. Scene 4,5,6... any combination of each.

Well, that's also true - you would think I, if anybody, would have suggested that.

It's more work than making multiple set list slots, but ultimately more flexible.

I found your PDF on the Internet yesterday outlining this procedure, and have watched the two YT videos linked above a few times as well.

I tried this out for a Combi I’m building for a song I’m working on, and this particular Combi has 5 total Programs in use. One of the voices is a pipe organ, which is only used for a small part in the middle of the song, so it seemed to be a good use of the Karma switching.

One of the sounds I am using is Cool Autowah Guitar, which has three insert effects chained together - Wah, Guitar Amp and O-verb. When I tried to use the Karma switching, it seems to bypass the effects for this timbre.

I would expect the Karma scene switching should merely activate the chosen sounds as they configured, no? I must be missing something along the way, but I spent a couple of hours and tried creating the Combi three times with the same results.

[StephenKay]

I would expect the Karma scene switching should merely activate the chosen sounds as they configured, no?

Correct.

[jere]

I would expect the Karma scene switching should merely activate the chosen sounds as they configured, no?

Correct.

I'm assuming that you've copied the programs with all IFXs (used in the program) to the combi? If you have, then I'd suggest to check the controllers in combi (especially SW1 and SW2 options) that they are not disabling the auto-wah effect. It's possible that program copied later than the guitar overwrites the settings previously set.