Bush or Kerry

londonlad · Post by **londonlad** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:37 am

Mchale,

it's not bashing the US, it's bashing Bush.

The world is laughing at him, laughing hard, till it hurts, he's a fool, and has NOTHING to offer your country.

Wake up and realise.

RiotNrrd · Post by **RiotNrrd** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:23 am

ok ok... i think i get it now:

No, I don't think you do. You appear to be reacting from an emotional base rather than considering the points being made in a rational fashion.

ripping on citizens of the US - fair game

No one has been doing that. *I* am an American citizen, and live in America. I have seen no posts "ripping" on citizens of the US in this thread. Posts critical of the US government - of course. The government is not the same as the citizenry, and we have a long and distinguished history of being critical of our own government. Thomas Jefferson himself felt that being critical of our own government is a good thing - he certainly was.

ripping on the president of the US - fair game

You're d***n straight. Bush IS totally fair game. So is Kerry, for that matter. Anyone desiring public office should be ready to be put under a microscope. We should not ignore the negative sides of even the people we support.

ripping on the policies of the US - fair game

Yes, I think that's fair game as well. Why shouldn't it be? Not all of the policies of the US are necessarily good ones just by virtue of the fact that they are US policies. Not everything the US does is right. On balance I think that MOST of the policies of the US are good ones, but that doesn't mean a blanket acceptance of all policies is in order. Bad policies can't be weeded out unless they are first identified.

ripping on me personally - fair game

No one is ripping on you. However, some of the things you are saying appear to be more ideologically based than rationally considered. Just because the republicans say something is so doesn't actually make it so, and just because Bush says or does something doesn't automatically make it right. He's only the president. He's not God.

cutting and pasting a single guy's liberally slanted view on iraq - fair game

Sure. Why not? It all boils down to credibility. There are credible liberal opinions, and non-credible ones. There are credible conservative opinions, and non-credible ones. Presenting a liberal opinion isn't a slap in the face to the conservatives any more than presenting a conservative opinion is a slap in the face to the liberals. Rational discourse between opposing sides is a cornerstone of our society.

me copying and pasting indesputable facts about the religion that is solely responsible for terrorism - not fair game

Jerry Falwell has very little credibility outside of Fundamentalist circles, and while the Fundamentalists like to think they are in the majority, in fact they speak for only a very small (though vocal) minority. The things you posted are not, in fact, indisputable. They are quite disputable, and simply because they are coming from Falwell makes them immediately suspect as far as extreme bias goes. He tends to pick and choose those elements that support his platform and completely ignore those elements that don't. In the past he has been known to present his cherry-picked supportive elements completely out of context. You cannot expect a balanced presentation of the facts from him - only, I'm afraid, those elements that support a Fundamentalist Christian agenda (which pretty much states that any religion other than Fundamentalist Christianity is an obscenity).

laughing_bear · Post by **laughing_bear** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:43 am

Odinmoon wrote:Today There will be a lot of weather. And tomorrow there will be some more weather.

regards Terry

Heck, I can second that. Even here, we got quite some wheather today as well, and the forcast is for more wheather over the next few days.

Nice to hear you had some wheather too.

AnthonyB · Post by **AnthonyB** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:54 pm

IRAQ Report (WMV)

chinard · Post by **chinard** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:39 pm

AnthonyB wrote:IRAQ Report (WMV)

cnegrad · Post by **cnegrad** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:40 pm

How'd you do those cool emoticons?

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:44 pm

it is of some consolation that this poll has fired Bush from his job.

Americans are dying in Iraq due to his reckless deceits. When Bush, Cheney and company are caught flat footed with their lies, they go on to more outrageous misrepresentations and galling assertions.

Bush should be held accountable for the projected $422 billion deficit for 2004. The 10 year deficit projection is $2.28 trillion. Americans are going to be gored big time for this ugly mess. Neither candidate will discuss this since taxes will be raised. Foreign nations like China are funding 50 % of the national debt. Forget about the Taxachusets story, this is basic economics. How do you manage your household debt ?

Why reward Bush and Cheney and company for their destruction with
4 more years ? Don't you think that will encourage these cynical politicians ? Hold them accountable.

chinard · Post by **chinard** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:46 pm

cnegrad wrote:How'd you do those cool emoticons?

its just an img link.

cnegrad · Post by **cnegrad** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:49 pm

GregC,

So if we use your idea, can we hold Bill Clinton accountable for 9/11? Sounds fair to me...

marcdeben · Post by **marcdeben** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:36 pm

I wish all of you that are unhappy with Bush would make suggestions on how you think we should handle these animals (sorry to the animals, they only kill to eat) How about ?????????? I don't know, I can't find such a word for them! Anyway, you know whom I'm talking about. What should the US do. Just let them come over hear and Kill who they wish. Bush was just getting his feet wet as president and bang 9/11. I dare say even are cigar dipping president Clinton would do something about it. Would the World be laughing at him?
How about a little compassion for a man doing what he thinks is right rather than waffling all over the place. Is he doing it all right? I do not think everything he is doing is correct. He is human not GOD. If we all pulled together as a country and the Whole World acted as one for the good of all, then maybe just maybe we could rid the world of these people. It is all so easy to blame esp. after the fact. How about some answers before the s**t hits the fan again!

Just my 2 little cents

Cheers Marc

Odinmoon · Post by **Odinmoon** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:36 pm

Iraq report

Odinmoon · Post by **Odinmoon** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:48 pm

One way to handle these animals is to attack the right people. Iraq had nothing to do with 911. By all means go after Osama. You won't find him or wepons of mass desruction in Iraq. Beating up Iraq won't get Osama. And is a great waste of resorce. Also take advice from the UN. Thats what its For.

And this is the last thing I have to say on this matter.
regards Terry

chinard · Post by **chinard** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:52 pm

Odinmoon wrote:One way to handle these animals is to attack the right people. Iraq had nothing to do with 911. By all means go after Osama. You won't find him or wepons of mass desruction in Iraq. Beating up Iraq won't get Osama. And is a great waste of resorce. Also take advice from the UN. Thats what its For.

cnegrad · Post by **cnegrad** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:56 pm

Terry,

The man asks a valid question. Before you have your "last word", perhaps you'd like to answer it? Regardless of your stance on Bush, how do all of you suggest that the US address it's terrorist problem, regardless of who's president? If your response has anything to do with Bush whatsoever, I'll then know that your not interested in anything but furthering your anti-Bush agenda and could care less about the big picture--stopping terrorism.

cnegrad · Post by **cnegrad** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:58 pm

Terry,

The man asks a valid question. Before you have your "last word", perhaps you'd like to answer it? Regardless of your stance on Bush, how do all of you suggest that the US address it's terrorist problem, regardless of who's president?

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Bush or Kerry

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