Expression Pedal?

dtscape · Post by **dtscape** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:10 am

Hi, Really need help with my expression pedal. I'm trying to control patch levels within a combination. I've worked out that if I assign the foot pedal(global mode) to volume i can modify the volume on a specific patch by unchecking the boxes for the other patches in the combi... But (this is my problem) It also controls the volume when I change to a Program sound.

Basically i'm just after a way of controlling the volume of certain sounds within a Combination without effecting the volume of Programs?

Any help would be gratefully received.

kaptainkeyboard · Post by **kaptainkeyboard** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:52 am

From your Combi, Press MIDI Filter/Zones.
Press MIDI Filter 3 Tab.
Under Enable Foot Pedal, Uncheck the Combi channels you do NOT want controlled by the Expression Pedal.

You can use this to filter out the Damper Pedal and a whole load of other stuff.

Hope this helps.

kaptainkeyboard · Post by **kaptainkeyboard** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:57 am

Ooops - Just had a senior moment and wrote a reply without understanding your problem...sorry.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:25 am

It would be a little work but you could set it to foot pedal cc#4 globally. This allows you to program as needed for every combi or sound. But as nothing except CX3 organs will respond to volume anymore (without you setting it up) you will need to manually program the volume response into sounds (e.g. through the amp mod page) or use effect slots with a neutral EQ or compressor and assign the foot pedal to control the level.

dtscape · Post by **dtscape** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:30 pm

It seems a bit mad too me that you can adjust the sliders for Karma but not the timbre mode!!! Surely there is a way? Thanks for the idea but it still includes the problem of adjusting the volume of the programs..

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:41 pm

I'm not sure I understand your problem correctly. What I understood was;
1. You want to use the pedal to fade in/out certain sounds in a combi
2. You DON'T want the pedal to work as volume in program mode

Both of these are solved with what I proposed (except for CX3 programs I think).

As for the sliders, what do you mean you can adjust them for Karma but not for timbre mode? They work fine for me in any mode. If you want to use them to control volumes within a combination, switch the control surface to timbre/track and slide away.

dtscape · Post by **dtscape** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:15 pm

Sorry.. i mean that the pedal can adjust the sliders in the karma mode but not in Timbre mode.
I am currently using the sliders when I play live to adjust everything... I was hoping I could do this function with an expression pedal. Not as easy as I first thoiught though.... I'll have a go at your suggestion. It will need a bit of work as you said.
Cheers

dtscape · Post by **dtscape** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:29 pm

Just tried your suggestion.. its a bit of a messy way round. Plus if i add the adjustment to the program(amp mod page) it does'nt resolve the issue as the program, if used individually, would be adjusted by the pedal. I also tried the volume adjust via an eq.. Which I couldn't seem to get to work. It's starting to drive me mad!!!! Lol
Surely there is a way of adjusting the volume with the pedal another way...
Please somebody!!!!!

Bakerman · Post by **Bakerman** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:06 pm

Set the pedal globally to Realtime knob 5, 6, 7 or 8. Now you can set the RT knob CC# per combi/preset and the pedal will also control it.

To exclude a combi's timbre from this control you'll need to filter both "foot pedal" and the RT knob, IIRC. Maybe not, but if filtering one doesn't work try the other as well.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:24 pm

dtscape wrote:Just tried your suggestion.. its a bit of a messy way round. Plus if i add the adjustment to the program(amp mod page) it does'nt resolve the issue as the program, if used individually, would be adjusted by the pedal. I also tried the volume adjust via an eq.. Which I couldn't seem to get to work. It's starting to drive me mad!!!! Lol
Surely there is a way of adjusting the volume with the pedal another way...
Please somebody!!!!!

Yeah you will have to create modified copies of your program, sorry if that wasn't clear. Not sure why you can't get it to work via FX. Are you sure your FX is set 100 wet and the timbre is routed to it?

I also like Bakerman's suggestion, its built kinda on the same principle but lets you filter per timbre a little more easily.

LZ · Post by LZ » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:47 pm

You can use a preamp IFX on the parts you want to control, set volume to zero and -99 pedal to wet/dry.

dtscape · Post by **dtscape** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:55 am

Thanks guys. I'll have another go this morning.
I really appreciate your help...

dtscape · Post by **dtscape** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:50 am

I've decided to stick with the slider for now. Too much work involved in changing ALL the programs I use. Thanks again but I'll just stick with what I know

kaptainkeyboard · Post by **kaptainkeyboard** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:46 am

Maybe I'm under thinking your problem with the expression pedal to program thing, but I use Combi's exclusively in my set lists when paying live.
I use a few Combi's which contain only one Program.
Using an "Init Combi", select the drop down menu, select "Copy from Program" and highlight all IFX, MFX and TFX used, and copy To> Timbe 1.
The Program in the Combi will now sound exactly as it does in a Program mode.
You can now filter out the Expression Pedal to achieve what you are looking for (I think).
Save the Combi by it's Program name (or anything you feel comfortable with) and add it to your Set List.
All of the above assumes that you want to use this technique in a "Live" situation and the programs you use live are always the same.