2.1 CX-3 question

musicbysterling · Post by **musicbysterling** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:59 am

Because I use the new Burn Leslie simulator, I've been turning off the internal Leslie simulation, as well as bypassing any tube overdrive or amp settings in each of the organ Programs I use. I have just successfully installed OS 2.1 and am looking forward to checking out the improvements to the CX-3 engine.

Since I don't utilize the Leslie and other processing and simply route the signal to output 3 and then directly into the Burn, am I missing any and all of the improvements that the OS upgrade supposedly has brought to the CX-3, or have improvements actually been made to the core engine itself?

And since my setup is the way it is, will installing KRS-06 be of any benefit to me?
Any input is greatly appreciated!
Mark

geoelectro · Post by **geoelectro** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:51 am

I use the Ventilator and also send the dry CX-3 to an individual output. Playing the new sounds simply sends out the L/R outputs with all the effects in play. So, you can audition them and check them out. There have been improvements to the core CX-3 that you would benefit from even sending the dry signal out to the Burn.

You may find the Burn less needed as there have been large improvements overall. I personally am not ready to cut loose the Vent just yet...

Geo

ccmacdon · Post by **ccmacdon** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:39 pm

I have both the Vent and the Burn leslie sims.. and I'm not sure that I'm going to be using either of them anymore on my Kronos.. the leslie sim is awesome!! So good that it's hardly worth the bother to reroute a dry signal to a separate output, and drag around another box and more cables!!
It has a beautiful low rotor sound, and you can dial in your horn to your liking.. I can't get over how good these new KRS-06 organ sounds are!! Wow!

The Overdrive isn't quite as warm as the Ventilator, but it's very close, and for my use (classic rock) I prefer a brighter sound anyway (more scream and less growl)..

Well done!!! I wish the Kronos was released like this with this engine and these sounds.. if it was there would be a lot less dedicated Hammond clones out there and a lot more Kronos's... !!!

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:00 pm

ccmacdon wrote:I have both the Vent and the Burn leslie sims.. and I'm not sure that I'm going to be using either of them anymore on my Kronos.. the leslie sim is awesome!! So good that it's hardly worth the bother to reroute a dry signal to a separate output, and drag around another box and more cables!!
It has a beautiful low rotor sound, and you can dial in your horn to your liking.. I can't get over how good these new KRS-06 organ sounds are!! Wow!

The Overdrive isn't quite as warm as the Ventilator, but it's very close, and for my use (classic rock) I prefer a brighter sound anyway (more scream and less growl)..

Well done!!! I wish the Kronos was released like this with this engine and these sounds.. if it was there would be a lot less dedicated Hammond clones out there and a lot more Kronos's... !!!

WOW that is really encouraging. I was considering a vent/burn myself. I had private gigs this last weekend, so couldn't risk an OS update. Can't wait to try it out tonight!

geoelectro · Post by **geoelectro** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:13 pm

ccmacdon wrote:I have both the Vent and the Burn leslie sims.. and I'm not sure that I'm going to be using either of them anymore on my Kronos.. the leslie sim is awesome!! So good that it's hardly worth the bother to reroute a dry signal to a separate output, and drag around another box and more cables!!
It has a beautiful low rotor sound, and you can dial in your horn to your liking.. I can't get over how good these new KRS-06 organ sounds are!! Wow!

The Overdrive isn't quite as warm as the Ventilator, but it's very close, and for my use (classic rock) I prefer a brighter sound anyway (more scream and less growl)..

Well done!!! I wish the Kronos was released like this with this engine and these sounds.. if it was there would be a lot less dedicated Hammond clones out there and a lot more Kronos's... !!!

I'm glad you are satisfied with the Korg sim. In my case I think the amplitude modulation on the lower rotor is too strong with no way to minimize it. Secondly, the upper rotor doesn't go low enough in frequency. Comparing to the Vent, the upper rotor sounds too much like a tweeter than a midrange speaker which is what a Leslie driver is. I wish Korg would allow the crossover point to be adjustable or the ability to increase the level of the upper driver near the crossover point. Lastly, higher drawbars seem to have a flutter or tweetering effect in the upper driver on high speed. This is my experience using the Hammond sound in a traditional non-overdrive/distortion setting.

Geo

ccmacdon · Post by **ccmacdon** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:20 pm

I think that the horn is a bit wabbly on some of the programs.. the thing is that this can actually sound good in a live mix.. the horn spinning is emphasized.. I really like the sound of the low rotor!! Anyway, some of these KRS-06 programs are better than others.. Still going through them to see which ones really standout.

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:29 am

I'd love to hear which are your favorites...

Jerry

ccmacdon · Post by **ccmacdon** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:22 pm

jerrythek wrote:I'd love to hear which are your favorites...

Jerry

Jerry, I really like a lot of these programs, but after a bit of time playing with them, I would say that right now the ones grabbing my attention are:

KE Pictures at an exhibition (very authentic sounding)
KE Eruption Split (I can't stop playing this one)
LG Slow Rotary (love the low rotor sound in this program)
LG Ballad Comp (nice warm sound)
NE Basic
MF My sound (my favourite non-close mic'd leslie sound)
TM Main Organ
TM Burn Organ
NN Normal Jazz organ (I like the horn sound in this program)
NN Overdrive Organ (nice OD on this one)
DJ Whytershade (nice leslie and nice and bright with upper drawbars out)
KORG Jimmy's Organ
KORG Tube Drive Organ
Korg Dirty Rock Organ (nice close mic'd leslie sound on this)
Korg Forelong organ (quite authentic sounding)
Korg No disgrace organ

Question.... there seems to be more clarity and depth to the CX3 engine than there was before.. Am I imagining this?? For example I seem to hear each drawbar tone much more distinctly than I did before... ? Am I crazy?

panrixx · Post by **panrixx** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:43 pm

After successfully updating both software and firmware today, I notice that some of the organ programs (all the 'eruptions' for instance) have a background noise unless the volume is lowered to around 9 O'Clock.

Is this normal and part of the horn spinning emulation? Forgive my ignorance if not!

panrixx · Post by **panrixx** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:54 am

Anyone?

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:11 am

panrixx wrote:After successfully updating both software and firmware today, I notice that some of the organ programs (all the 'eruptions' for instance) have a background noise unless the volume is lowered to around 9 O'Clock.

Is this normal and part of the horn spinning emulation? Forgive my ignorance if not!

Parameter Guide -> EXi: CX-3 Tonewheel Organ -> Program P4: Basic -> 4–1b: Tone:

Noise Level
[0...99]
This lets you add a constant amount of noise to the outputs - just like you might find in older vintage gear. The noise will be present whether or not any notes are being played.
The noise includes both colored broad-band noise and tone wheel leakage. The amount of leakage within the noise is scaled by Leakage Level, described above.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:11 am

I still haven't got around to doing the upgrade. Kinda busy (lazy) ya know? But when I do; hopefully this weekend; I will be auditioning organ sounds like crazy. After doing laundry, grocery shopping, cleaning, feeding cars. Okay. Maybe the following weekend

panrixx · Post by **panrixx** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:55 pm

danatkorg wrote:
panrixx wrote:After successfully updating both software and firmware today, I notice that some of the organ programs (all the 'eruptions' for instance) have a background noise unless the volume is lowered to around 9 O'Clock.

Is this normal and part of the horn spinning emulation? Forgive my ignorance if not!
Parameter Guide -> EXi: CX-3 Tonewheel Organ -> Program P4: Basic -> 4–1b: Tone:

Noise Level
[0...99]
This lets you add a constant amount of noise to the outputs - just like you might find in older vintage gear. The noise will be present whether or not any notes are being played.
The noise includes both colored broad-band noise and tone wheel leakage. The amount of leakage within the noise is scaled by Leakage Level, described above.

Thanks Dan, that explains it perfectly. I great option.

ccmacdon · Post by **ccmacdon** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:24 pm

panrixx wrote:After successfully updating both software and firmware today, I notice that some of the organ programs (all the 'eruptions' for instance) have a background noise unless the volume is lowered to around 9 O'Clock.

Is this normal and part of the horn spinning emulation? Forgive my ignorance if not!

Panrixx, sorry I haven't chimed in here.. I've been busy and a bit distracted from the various forums I participate in. danatkorg has answered your question about the noise, so you should be able to go in and edit these programs to your liking.

I also noticed this noise in some of my combis, and it threw me for a bit of a loop, because I got to a gig, and all of a sudden I had noise in some combis that was never there.. It was easy to fix this once I realized that the noise was coming from a few of the combis that referenced the new organ sounds that had this higher noise and leakage levels.

One thing I wanted to add.. remember that these "noises/sounds" are important.. they all contribute to "the sound" of a Hammond/Leslie. Don't be too quick to set these sounds to 0 because leakage and noise all contribute to the character of the sound.

Set the noise levels so they are tolerable. You'll likely end up with a more authentic vintage sound (assuming of course that's what you're looking for).

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:57 am

I have to admit that in this day and age I find it amusing that we add noise to keep the authenticity to the old sounds. I think I like it! Funny thing though, when these old beasts were first built, the noise was an annoyance, now we call it character. How times have changed. I still like it though!

My old Hammond here in my living room, crackles and farts and I wouldn't have it any other way.