MIDI in Combi Mode: Channel 1 is always active

[Orri]

I used a Triton previously and yes, I try to work now in the same way but these problems occur.

Now I tried to take factory presets as a starting point. The MIDI issue is fine on I A-000, but I cannot get part 3 to respond, no matter what I try: It is not muted, it's assigned ot outpput L/R, but it just would'nt make a sound.

Then I tried I A-003. And again: If I change the first parts from gch to channel 1, they will play no matter which Global Channel I set. So there has to be a setting anywhere that makes this difference between I A-000 an I A-003. Just can't figure it out which setting this may be.

[HardSync]

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[Orri]

@HardSync: So sorry - I just "discovered" it a few moments ago - yes, this solves it, now everything woks perfectly. Thank you very much! I must admit I don't understand this KARMA stuff, but now I can go on with my - rather simple - combis.

THANKS to everybody !!!

[michelkeijzers]

Orri,

If you haven't already, have a look at the GE Setup/Key Zones screen P7-1 and check to see if any of the Timbre Thru boxes are checked -- these are at the lower right of the screen. If any are checked, then uncheck them. I don't want to waste your time with a long explanation for now... but will explain later if this fixes it.

This is what I meant with Karma being enabled (thanks for the clarification where to search).

[Dniss]

How do you turn Karma off?

[michelkeijzers]

Can't wait to get an answer for this problem.

I had similar issue a while back, I called Korg but I couldn't reproduce it on the spot. I had change all the midi channel to INT 12 in seq mode, and I could still hear the default German Grand!

Bascially, I was getting mixed results. I would redo all the same steps in a blank song template, and then it was OK.

I had another instance where I would set up one track to EXT 3, and then track 3 with INT 3 would start playing eventhough kronos glb was set to ch 1. Anyway, very confusing.

I haven't gone back to it since the update, but I'd sur like to know the exact interaction between seq, tracks, and the default channel in GLOBAL mode.

As Hardsync already noted, check the Karma/GE settings.

[Dniss]

Can't wait to get an answer for this problem.

I had similar issue a while back, I called Korg but I couldn't reproduce it on the spot. I had change all the midi channel to INT 12 in seq mode, and I could still hear the default German Grand!

Bascially, I was getting mixed results. I would redo all the same steps in a blank song template, and then it was OK.

I had another instance where I would set up one track to EXT 3, and then track 3 with INT 3 would start playing eventhough kronos glb was set to ch 1. Anyway, very confusing.

I haven't gone back to it since the update, but I'd sur like to know the exact interaction between seq, tracks, and the default channel in GLOBAL mode.

As Hardsync already noted, check the Karma/GE settings.

I sure will next time I use the seq!

How do you turn Karma off?

[michelkeijzers]

Orri,

If you haven't already, have a look at the GE Setup/Key Zones screen P7-1 and check to see if any of the Timbre Thru boxes are checked -- these are at the lower right of the screen. If any are checked, then uncheck them. I don't want to waste your time with a long explanation for now... but will explain later if this fixes it.

This is the procedure to disable Karma (thanks HardSync).

[Dniss]

Orri,

If you haven't already, have a look at the GE Setup/Key Zones screen P7-1 and check to see if any of the Timbre Thru boxes are checked -- these are at the lower right of the screen. If any are checked, then uncheck them. I don't want to waste your time with a long explanation for now... but will explain later if this fixes it.

This is the procedure to disable Karma (thanks HardSync).

Ah ok!

I thought that was like a second thing to do after turning off karma.

Tx man!

[michelkeijzers]

Orri,

If you haven't already, have a look at the GE Setup/Key Zones screen P7-1 and check to see if any of the Timbre Thru boxes are checked -- these are at the lower right of the screen. If any are checked, then uncheck them. I don't want to waste your time with a long explanation for now... but will explain later if this fixes it.

This is the procedure to disable Karma (thanks HardSync).

Ah ok!

I thought that was like a second thing to do after turning off karma.

Tx man!

When I got the Kronos I also got some karma problem and thought just switching off the karma button was enough but it seems karma has some settings 'under water' too ... I also removed the VJS settings for some combis too, there are also several of those.

[HardSync]

Glad that it's fixed, Orri. You're welcome.

For everyone's benefit, here's a brief explanation as to what is happening:

When KARMA is switched off, it still has the ability to play timbres that are not assigned to the global midi channel. This is done via the Timbre Thru function on screen P7-1. In practice, KARMA is (or can be) very much active even when it's not switched on. If you look at this screen more closely, you'll see that the MIDI I/O section is set to GCH, so anything played on the global midi channel will also play whatever channel this KARMA page tells it to play when KARMA is off.

To turn this off, you should uncheck the Thru Timbre boxes (or change the MIDI I/O channel to something other than GCH on this screen).

On my M3, an initialised Combi has this the Timbre Thru function switched on by default. I imagine it's probably the same for the Kronos. Just beware.

As for the other issue of some timbres playing, and some not playing no matter what. This is also probably a KARMA issue, on a different screen. KARMA can also switch on or off timbres depending on whether it is on or off.

It can be rather confusing, I admit.

[michelkeijzers]

Orri,

If you haven't already, have a look at the GE Setup/Key Zones screen P7-1 and check to see if any of the Timbre Thru boxes are checked -- these are at the lower right of the screen. If any are checked, then uncheck them. I don't want to waste your time with a long explanation for now... but will explain later if this fixes it.

This is the procedure to disable Karma (thanks HardSync).

Ah ok!

I thought that was like a second thing to do after turning off karma.

Tx man!

When I got the Kronos I also got some karma problem and thought just switching off the karma button was enough but it seems karma has some settings 'under water' too ... I also removed the VJS settings for some combis too, there are also several of those.

[Dniss]

Glad that it's fixed, Orri. You're welcome.

For everyone's benefit, here's a brief explanation as to what is happening:

When KARMA is switched off, it still has the ability to play timbres that are not assigned to the global midi channel. This is done via the Timbre Thru function on screen P7-1. In practice, KARMA is (or can be) very much active even when it's not switched on. If you look at this screen more closely, you'll see that the MIDI I/O section is set to GCH, so anything played on the global midi channel will also play whatever channel this KARMA page tells it to play when KARMA is off.

To turn this off, you should uncheck the Thru Timbre boxes (or change the MIDI I/O channel to something other than GCH on this screen).

On my M3, an initialised Combi has this the Timbre Thru function switched on by default. I imagine it's probably the same for the Kronos. Just beware.

As for the other issue of some timbres playing, and some not playing no matter what. This is also probably a KARMA issue, on a different screen. KARMA can also switch on or off timbres depending on whether it is on or off.

It can be rather confusing, I admit.

Tx HardSync!

I've been looking for this for a long time. I experienced a whole bunch of different results (also using some ext modules) and I couldn't figure out what question to ask besides "What the hell is going on!" which usually doesn't get any answers.

After importing prgms then the ext would stop sounding, anyway, I had various issues where I couldn't pinpoint the problm.

I'm sure this is it.

Thanks again, will make sure to look that direction next time.

[Dniss]

... I also removed the VJS settings for some combis too, there are also several of those.

VJS?

[manfredo132000]

Hi,

I reported this bug to the German Support in Marburg.
The OASYS acts the same.

Kind regards
Manfred