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Yes thanks, (some have a problem reading),,.. and that is clearly what I was trying to say but thats their decision.Pepperpotty wrote:[
I think that Sparkie was suggesting that Korg remove their libraries from their website. The libraries would still be available from Karo's website, so it would not stop people from obtaining the samples.
I would completely understand it if Korg chose not to affiliate themselves with a company who conducted themselves in such an under handed way.
Of course, what do I know as I just have childish malevolent comments. 
You know, I had a discussion - a very, very polite one - with Sharp here a couple of years ago. Not in this way or manner - or anywhere close - but I wanted to know his positions about things like that. I mean, as a journalist, I do have some "secret abusage model" when posting at forums - wether that's via signature or via posting links about interesting things - but only at times, and when it's appropriate. For example, when it's NAMM time or something like that. Then it's for the benefit of the user that he or she clicks and finds out about the latest this-and-that product introduced by that-and-that company.mm-pro wrote:Nothing like getting caught crapping in your neighbors yard and then stepping in it on the way out.
While it is no secret there are internet shills everywhere, it is always a disappointment when you find out your cyber "friends" are just advertising tools.
The only upside I see is that our community won't tolerate this crap.
Man, your app is free. And it's a perfect example for the "benefit of the user" discussion. People who make free applications that make other people's lives better aren't the commercial category, therefor are usually exempt from any rules in question here. Yes, people might or might not help you develop it by letting you know what the bugs are and give you suggestions. But that's their own free will. That's the difference to this KARO case, from what Sharp told us.michelkeijzers wrote:I sometimes refer to my app but only if there is a question or post that is very related to it (or can be used as a tool/help for a problem or analysis to get something done).
If someone makes a good product/sound or whatever, users/forum members will start to talk about it themselves which is the best way of advertising, for both commercial and noncommercial products.
YOU OWE CELLO an Apology !GregC wrote:I do not own the OASYS. So that info in the OASYS ad isn't relevant to me.cello wrote:Whilst totally supporting the quality of Karo's work, I sincerely hope that they are not mis-representing here: http://www.karo-sounds.com/webkronos/ksl_e.html
I bought KSL for the OASYS and it is very, very good and worth the money - which was $480.
However, their text in the above link suggests that the KSL has never existed before it was specially sampled WITH the Kronos, for the Kronos.
So, either it is indeed true and Karo went re-sampled the same orchestra they said they already sampled for the OASYS (which I bought) or there is deception at play.
I hate to do this but I hate deception at any level so:
Notice anything similar? See the gross misrepresentation?1. Here is the promotional text from Karo's website about the Kronos KSL library:
EXs50 KARO KSL Symhonic Library for Korg KRONOS ©
Good things come to those who wait! Nothing but this well-known idiom can express our feelings at the moment. Finally, KARO proudly introduces the brand new KARO Symphonic Library KSL for the KRONOS, which has been announced for
a long time.
More than a year ago, Kurt Ader and Oliver Rehn invited the Orchestra of the Nationaltheater Mannheim for elaborate recording sessions. All important orchestral registers were selected and sampled with the KRONOS, soloists and small as well as large orchetstral lineups played for us their finest sounds. In months-long affectionate work KARO developed the KSL out of these recordings finally fielding 256 Performances and 640 Programs of superb quality.
The KSL sounds baroque, classically, romantically and modern, all at the same time. Now, with the KSL you can compose and play lively and realistic movie sound tracks with top quality sound or have your personal professional interpretations of Bach Inventions, Beethoven Symphonies or Grieg Suites within the reach of your KRONOS keyboard. We at KARO are certain: even Mozart would have loved his KSL.
2. Here is the promotional text from Karo's website about the OASYS KSL library:
KARO KSL Symphonic Library
Good things come to those who wait! Nothing but this well-known idiom can express our feelings at the moment. Finally, KARO proudly introduces the brand new KARO Symphonic Library KSL for the OASYS, which has been announced for
a long time.
More than a year ago, Kurt Ader and Oliver Rehn invited the Orchestra of the Nationaltheater Mannheim for elaborate recording sessions. All important orchestral registers were selected and sampled with the OASYS, soloists and small as well as large orchetstral lineups played for us their finest sounds. In months-long affectionate work Kurt Ader and Peter Jung developed the KSL out of these recordings finally fielding 256 Performances and 640 Programs of superb quality.
The KSL sounds baroque, classically, romantically and modern, all at the same time. Now, with the KSL you can compose and play lively and realistic movie sound tracks with top quality sound or have your personal professional interpretations of Bach Inventions, Beethoven Symphonies or Grieg Suites within the reach of your OASYS keyboard. We at KARO are certain: even Mozart would have loved his KSL.
Again, it has been Pit Loew and Peter Jung presenting a lovely selection of the sounds of our new KSL in fiftheen short orchestral MP3 and showing what KSL is able to provide to you. We believe that our efforts have been really worthwhile. Now, it’s your turn: hear!
I'm not angry - but I am very sad. Karo don't need to decieve - they have a quality product.
But this evidence shows how much commerce will corrupt - and deceive Kronos users (the KSL was NOT specially created with or for the Kronos) and entirely denounces their previous OASYS customers.
Very sad.
Disclaimer - whilst I am taking screengrabs of the webpages involved, Karo will likely change one or other of the product descriptions mentioned in this post. The link for the Kronos page is http://www.karo-sounds.com/webkronos/ksl_e.html and the link for the OASYS page is http://www.karo-sounds.com/web/ksl_e.html. This is at 22.42 on 18 Nov 2011.
Karo - shameful misrepresentation, and legally, you are skating on very thin ice.
It looks like basic marketing/ad work to me. If its not semantically correct , I am not getting into a twist about it.
Instead of broadcasting your accusations on the Internet, why don't you contact KARO directly ? If there is merit to your statement, then they have the opportunity to revise their ad wording.
YOU OWE CELLO an Apology !jimknopf wrote:This part of the debate concerning future Karo libraries is completely vain.
It's all guessing without ever having exchanged a word with Karo.
And there are many possibilities in between sampling from scratch and using samples from earlier sessions in a new manner (possible new velocities, diskstreaming allowing bigger libraries, reworking of sample adjustments in the patch structure etc.).
I'm interested in Karo's Virtual Analog library and asked him if this was more or less identical to the Oasys library some days ago. Karo's answer was a clear "No": all former Oasys libraries have been substantially reworked according to his words.
I don't see why anyone being suspicious or even upset, talking of misleading advertising (or worse) here in the forum, can't ask Karo directly to be sure. Critical questions are ok, but they should be used to clarify, not just to be suspicious and leave it at that.
