Kronos nylon

[ddavilyx]

JPROBERTLA, actually, it does replace it in some cases. Understand that some of the pianos in Ivory, sounds in Spectrasonics, EastWest, etc are being used in very very professional recording studios for all the world to hear. Stuff you hear in movies, commercials, soundtracks are made of these libraries. But of course, it's just not as attractive in gigs because people want to see the real thing.

[ddavilyx]

Mystic38, the Jupiter 80 is freekn awesome, yes, but i wouldn't say better. But anyways, I'm not a fanboy like everyone says I am. I own Yamaha, and the Roland Fantom G8. I like Roland too. I will get the Kronos 61 pretty soon. Hoping for KARO to make some descent acoustics. Sorry if it seems like I kept debating with you, I don't really keep track of the people on this thread. But thanks for your support too. I appreciate it.

[ddavilyx]

jimknopf, thank you. I feel the same way. I'm not a pro at the guitar yet but people keep telling me to learn guitar. They fail to realize that they are actually agreeing with me LOL. All I really want is for Korg to read these kinds of dumb threads from a trouble maker, troll, or whatever they want to call me, and think about how to improve on their next keyboard before putting a $3000 price tag on it. I love the Kronos but it seems the only celebrities they had working with them were the piano guys. They completely disregarded the other acoustics. I am an unsatisfied customer... Customers come first right? hehe

[ddavilyx]

jorgemncardoso, thank you. I agree with what you're saying. It just seems like that because none of us know each other. If we were actually humbled musicians and could come together and jam... I'm pretty sure you guys would think differently of me. Yes it sounds childish but I can say the same thing about a lot of these other guys on this thread too. I'm not really trying to gain victory or prove anything big here. It's just a small statement that a lot of people disagree with because the Kronos is so beautiful on the outside. They truly judge a book by it's cover. It looks pretty so it must sound pretty right? I don't understand how people can preorder keyboards before playing on it themselves. I guess it sounds like I make such a big and stupid deal about the guitars but that's how every keyboardists should be right? I care about every single patch. Would if I don't know how to play a guitar or would if I don't want to learn? Korg has just failed to supply those kinds of people. Get it?

[PinkFloydDudi]

jorgemncardoso, thank you. I agree with what you're saying. It just seems like that because none of us know each other. If we were actually humbled musicians and could come together and jam... I'm pretty sure you guys would think differently of me. Yes it sounds childish but I can say the same thing about a lot of these other guys on this thread too. I'm not really trying to gain victory or prove anything big here. It's just a small statement that a lot of people disagree with because the Kronos is so beautiful on the outside. They truly judge a book by it's cover. It looks pretty so it must sound pretty right? I don't understand how people can preorder keyboards before playing on it themselves. I guess it sounds like I make such a big and stupid deal about the guitars but that's how every keyboardists should be right? I care about every single patch. Would if I don't know how to play a guitar or would if I don't want to learn? Korg has just failed to supply those kinds of people. Get it?

Are you kidding? Name 1 person that judges the kronos based solely on how it looks?

You apparently think very highly of yourself, while looking down at nearly everyone else in this forum.

The angry/jealous motifator and other manufacturer folks get very annoying very quickly. If you like motifator so much, and don't own a kronos nor have any intentions of obviously owning one - that begs the question "why are you here?".

Yes, most people care about all sounds on their keyboard...but there is no good workstation out there that does nylon guitars well. (Say motif, which I own, and I'll laugh at you).

Nobody here has ever said the kronos has nothing to improve on (or Korg themselves).

You, and others, need to understand the difference between making valid complaints (which I agree there is one to be made about ALL nylon string sounds, the kronos not being an exception) - and making complaints and comparisons just to try and be a troll.


There are ways to improve the kronos - including anything from motifator is most definitely not one of those ways. Fanbois drive me up a wall.

[ddavilyx]

Vlad_77, thank you for your very intelligent words. HAHAHA.... your cool. Everything you guys say to me is correct. And I would repent to you if you needed me to. Yes I've made dumb remarks and so did other people. All I'm hoping is that Korg is watching, listening, and thinking deeper. How come we don't see guys like Jordan Rudess, George Duke, Herbie Hancock etc, on this forum to discuss how they really feel about the Kronos. That's because it's part of music politics. How come a Korg rep can't get on here and reason with me and talk to me?

[burningbusch]

All I really want is for Korg to read these kinds of dumb threads from a trouble maker, troll, or whatever they want to call me, and think about how to improve on their next keyboard before putting a $3000 price tag on it. I love the Kronos but it seems the only celebrities they had working with them were the piano guys. They completely disregarded the other acoustics. I am an unsatisfied customer... Customers come first right? hehe

I agree that the Motif guitars are very good and probably the best category on the Motif series. IMO, the vast majority of the other sounds on the Motif XF/XS don't fare well against the Kronos, e.g. pianos, EPs, organs, synths, FM sounds, brass, winds, strings and drums.

I had a chance to record some winds/brass from the Motif XS Rack and compare those against the Kronos.

The Motif patches are stock. The Kronos programs come from the EXs3 libraries found on the SSD. Some are versions of my breath controller programs adapted for keyboard only playing.

Strengths of the Kronos are pretty obvious, to me at least, in nearly all the examples, i.e. uncompressed data, long samples prior to loop, natural vibrato, high quality recordings, high quality reverb, and an excellent legato implementation.

The Motif is heard first followed by the Kronos. Here are the Motif XS program names used in order:
Baby Trumpet (assumed this to be a piccolo trumpet, but maybe not)
Soprano Soft (sop sax)
Clarinet 1
Tp Soft Jazz Legato
Flute Legato
Tp Romantic Legato
JazzyClarinet Legato
French Horn Section
French Horn
Trombone 1
Bassoon
Oboe 1
English Horn
Sweet Flute
Tenor Dynamic
Jazzy Flugel

Motif (first) vs. Kronos (second) Brass/Winds

Also note there are many full multisamples of brass wind on the Kronos that are not available on the Motif, including alto flute, contrabassoon, bass clarinet, cornet, contrabass tuba, piccolo trumpet plus articulations like staccato, sfz, grace notes, etc. The trumpets include straight mute, cup mute, harmon wah, plunger wah.

Busch.

[biggrime]

JPROBERTLA, too much chat people. I've uploaded my guitar pieces on YouTube and the rest of you guys haven't. C'mon, lets hear it. Upload your guitar sounds so I can hear it!

Hey everybody ... I don't care weather you're a guitarist or not, you have a guitarist or not, you will hire a guitarist or not ...i don't give a darn guys. Let's hear it people. Yes this thread is getting old, I know... but I am finally gaining victory because in the end, everyone is settling for either hiring a guitarist or play the guitar yourself. I can play everything on the keyboard because I'm a pianist and some people aren't. Some people are keyboardists and there's a big difference. Enough chatting. let's hear it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKs600g2Xg

okay I have watched the video. The guitar sounds pretty good. Does it prove anything? No as far as I know that guitar could be a VST. Going on a korg forum saying that another company has better this and that does not do any good. I question your age in my mind at first because I can not see a grown a$$ man wasting his time on something like this. For that same reason I am not going to wasting my time. I will keep this as short as possible. Do not come complaining about kronos guitar unless you have a solution. Either you work for yamaha or you do not have a sex life. Since I do not work for a music instrument manufacture and I do have a sex life. I am going to go and enjoy me some. peace

[ddavilyx]

SanderXpander, oh stop being a hater, just post your own. Kronos can't produce that.

[PinkFloydDudi]

Vlad_77, thank you for your very intelligent words. HAHAHA.... your cool. Everything you guys say to me is correct. And I would repent to you if you needed me to. Yes I've made dumb remarks and so did other people. All I'm hoping is that Korg is watching, listening, and thinking deeper. How come we don't see guys like Jordan Rudess, George Duke, Herbie Hancock etc, on this forum to discuss how they really feel about the Kronos. That's because it's part of music politics. How come a Korg rep can't get on here and reason with me and talk to me?

Korg reps are smarter than you and realize your intentions to troll rather than be productive.

As for your comments about why these celebrities haven't talked about how they like the kronos...I'm a member of the Jordan Rudess forum.

Do you think if a celebrity like JR didn't like the Kronos - that he would include it in his live touring rig and use it for recording? The guy can have any keyboard he wants most likely free!!! Why would he put a kronos as his main board if he didn't actually like the thing?

[ddavilyx]

burningbusch, that was very nice. If you've read my other threads you would see when I wrote that motif sounds don't come buried in reverb. Remember that we're talking about the nylon guitar here and not brass and woodwinds. And if you really want to hear good brass, reeds, horns secs then we can go back to the Yamaha VL.

[ddavilyx]

PinkFloydDudi, I wish Jordan Rudess would expand on his genres. He plays great and I am a fan but I would like to see someone of that skill level on the keys do other genres too. Like "pure" jazz trio, funk, gospel, flamenco, fusion etc or even country just for the heck of it. Anyways, not a hater here, just keeping it real. I've seen other threads talk about pros and they aren't as nice as me.

[ddavilyx]

biggrime, I actually have a very wonderful and beautiful wife who i enjoy very much. But this is not a sex thread is it? Watch, me making a big deal has already gone to Korg. And they are listening. To me that's not a waist of time. They'll improve because of the troll lol. It took me a long time to get back here to this thread. I was very busy and just taking a break. So i decided to check back. But I've made my point loud and clear... so don't stress kay? I'm going soon. I know that I will enjoy the Kronos too. Just hoping for KARO to develop soon. They're taking forever.

[burningbusch]

burningbusch, that was very nice. If you've read my other threads you would see when I wrote that motif sounds don't come buried in reverb. Remember that we're talking about the nylon guitar here and not brass and woodwinds. And if you really want to hear good brass, reeds, horns secs then we can go back to the Yamaha VL.

I know the Yamaha VL series probably as well as anyone. I've programmed it extensively using the Expert Editor and still own a VL1. I have also owned two VL1ms, two VL70ms and the PLG board. While very expressive, the VLs can't compare to modern software-based sampled instruments or the Kronos EXs3 sampleset when powered by breath controller. My VL1 sits in a case in the garage. I rarely use it and wouldn't think of using it if I were trying to emulate a real wind/brass instruments.

In the quote of yours that I used in my previous post you wrote Korg only focused on pianos and should have put more effort on the other acoustics which I assumed you meant OTHER ACOUSTIC INSTRUMENTS not just the nylon guitar category, hence my post.

Yamaha has a huge challenge ahead of them. Their sampleset is nearly all small short samples followed by loops. It's very obvious in the brass/wind examples I posted that Korg's use of longer more detailed samples pays off big.

Busch.

[PinkFloydDudi]

PinkFloydDudi, I wish Jordan Rudess would expand on his genres. He plays great and I am a fan but I would like to see someone of that skill level on the keys do other genres too. Like "pure" jazz trio, funk, gospel, flamenco, fusion etc or even country just for the heck of it. Anyways, not a hater here, just keeping it real. I've seen other threads talk about pros and they aren't as nice as me.

A little bit of research goes a long way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j9LBFfvtpw

I know, youtube is difficult.

You are now changing the subject in which you originally brought up Rudess. You said you want to see him talk about it and pretty much insinuiated that the only reason his name was attached to it was for "political" reasons.

You are wrong. Very, very wrong...