Pa2x pro compare to roland VA7

[Pa2x]

Shame KORG !!!!

Few days ago my friend bought roland VA7, i was laughing, i told him what a waste of money, its old keyboard, and if you are playing keyborad as a intrument you have to keep up with tehnology.
But i chagned my mind, and honestly now im thinking of selling this s**t box and buying VA7, and thats what he did, he had PA2X and sold it and bought VA7.

I have spent 2 years on this keyboard tring to add the best styles, adjust volumes, samples etc. and im still not happy with what i hear, this keyboard takes alot of time, and it never ends, you can just keep edditng and changing things, and you will never be satisfied.

Me and my friend searched on the net for VA7 styles, found milions of them, after 10 days he choose 150 styles that he likes, saved them in the keyboard and zip, and he came to my house.

We connected it with dynacord mixer, and 4 ev speakers and compared sounds, and specially styles. Guys i was embarrassed when i heard VA7 styles. KORG is 20 years behind roland's drum sound.

i could not belive what he did in 10 days, and how his keyboard sounds.
There is no samples, and s**t and bullshit what you have to do to make it sound good, you just copy paste the style, which is like 20kb and it kicks ass.


i love korg, always did but this is something i could not accept.

[some1uk03]

I could agree that Roland's Default styles & Sounds are much better than Korgs. But the Sampling possibility in the KORG really has no match.

I myself have not yet used a single FACTORY style in stage with my Korg. Maybe 1-2. The rest is all a SELF MADE Custom Set with samples & sounds & styles that I've created or added from all over the place.

[Pa2x]

And that's exactly what i did too, i don't use factory sounds.
But still with all the samples and s**t VA7 sounds 40% better.

Its all so complicated and it never ends, they must make keyboards like in old days where you can easily copy paste style and just play it.

Or, they can use better sound cards and put good proper samples in ROM memory, so we don't need to use imported samples, which just complicate things.

[hellboy44]

Weird.

I had a VA-7 for years, and, as a gigging professional, I can tell you the Sounds in the Korg (including drums) are far and away superior in quality.

Don't get me started on the difference in Keybeds!

However, if it's one thing Roland does right (particularly on the newer arrangers) it's a MUCH more friendly and easier to operate OS.

To be fair though, that's partly because the Korg gives you SO much control over every aspect of the machine. The Roland (well the VA-7) is a "set and forget" kind of deal, with no real extensive sound editing options - and no decent quality sampling.....

(I should also say - I use 95% SMF's 5% Styles....!)

[Lee]

No matter which mfg's keyboard...in the future for me ..I WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER ONE IF THE SAMPLES ARE NOT SUPERB...and I mean SUPERB.

It's time we get the quality sounds we deserve for this kind of $$$.

If I audition any new board and the samples have problems like the current ones...I will not buy it.

Memory is cheep, they (Korg, Yamiha etc HAVE the samples. They need to spend the $$ on programming and put in superb sounds.

Lee

[sehasafade12]

No matter which mfg's keyboard...in the future for me ..I WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER ONE IF THE SAMPLES ARE NOT SUPERB...and I mean SUPERB.

It's time we get the quality sounds we deserve for this kind of $$$.

If I audition any new board and the samples have problems like the current ones...I will not buy it.

Memory is cheep, they (Korg, Yamiha etc HAVE the samples. They need to spend the $$ on programming and put in superb sounds.

Lee

I agree with you %100....
I still love my Pa800 but I am tired of crashing,restarting,OS issues,no software to cotrol the OS and combine your own sets. Korg is in denial and hope they wake up and smell the coffee... They are going to lose a lot of us if another company comes up with an arranger with excellent sounds and lots of sampling memory.... Shame on you Korg...

Best regards,

Fahim

[khaleds]

Hi FAHIM Jan,
I agree with you %100 .
Surprisingly (karmathanever) didn't respond back to you yet.
As always he supports korg by saying that korg is not responsible for this and that and my Pa2xpro works excellent, what more you guys want?
This stops the members to take the discussion any further.
So let’s see what happens now.
Regards

[robkeith]

I agree wholeheartedly with the above comments, and sold my PA2X, will not be getting another Korg or any other board unless they are sensational... really they have had it too good for too long and its time to either put up or stop making arrangers, and move on. Styles should knock you out, Korg should pay the copyright to have correct names in songbook, and so on, and so on, so lets hope th PA3X is a leap forward, or i venture to suggest that its a flop before it hits the ground

[LESSISMORE]

the va7 was a lot of years my stage synth.
it have no good styles for dance-music. the drumsounds are sounding well, but there are no good punchy grooves.
the styles are good for dinner-music....

so I used the va7 as synth. the sounds are very very good.without editing.
very good effecs and a 4-time-layering is possible.
In Style-Mode you can use a double-layer in the lower hand.

For using as synth, I loved the VA7-Sound.
But for Style-playing, it was not good.
My Y PSR 9000 was a lot better.

The PA2 have good drum-sounds and a lot of good styles, but for dreaming-sounds in the right hand , we have to edit to much.

For stage-working , I think the PA2 is the best BEAST.

[mrniceneasy]

The PA2 have good drum-sounds and a lot of good styles, but for dreaming-sounds in the right hand , we have to edit to much.

Hi LiM. All part of the fun my friend. That for me in part is the most satisfying part of the keyboard and not just the performing on it

For stage-working , I think the PA2 is the best BEAST

Totally agree with you, the pa is soooo good to play on the fly!8)

I'm like most of you and tried several Brands but to date the pa2x has been totally the most satisfying keyboard - for me - that I have owned and I can't see anything better for what I want to do with a keyboard and that means User control and configuration. JMHO....

[LESSISMORE]

Hi Keith,

+yes , you can effect all sound-wishes on the PA.
+Its the only one arranger, which can edit all sounds with so much parameters.
+Its a full (nearly full) sampler.
+Its a very good arranger with many special functions.
+The connectors (editable) are professional for stage-invironments.
+76 keys(PA2)
+new nocost styles each month
+many users, which are talking fair in forums

-non mellow UI developement
-memory-limitation (only direct flash possible for own settings....)
-service-time
-non flexible video-interface (ext.)
-mp3 is not a 2-track-recorder (non playing and recording to the same time)
-blue burning leds....

[mrniceneasy]

Hi LiM, you and others are correct of course and I respect your opinion's. Maybe pa2x will have a new OS towards the end of the year as they did with pa1x and so that would refresh the keyboard, then pa3x, who knows what Korg will do to improve on pa2x? Let's hope that they take onboard everyone's anxieties and wish lists for the future and especially the burning issue of the led's blowing on many pa2x boards. I'm one of the lucky ones [so far]

[Pa2x]

Guys, this VA7 kicks ass to any sampled PA2X Pro.
Korg is so complicated and its got all these features but at the end 20 year old VA7 sounds better.

Drum sounds on VA7 are far more better than any sampled drum set on korg. You cant even compare it to original rom samples.

We have compared this few times, and i have found many samples where people tried to sample Roland drums and put them inside korg.

This guy in 10 days prepared his VA7 for live playing and it took me more than 2 years on korg, and still no quality.

[miden]

This guy in 10 days prepared his VA7 for live playing and it took me more than 2 years on korg, and still no quality.

Wow! Took me about 4 days on the original PA1xPro, and even less on the PA2xpro...

Maybe just different work processes?? I have owned the VA76, and a G70, and NEITHER comes close to either the ease of use, or intuitive (to me anyway) operation of the Korg. The only thing the Roland has over the Korg is the style/midi makeup tools.

As for sounds, please...Roland are STILL using sounds from the original Sound Canvas...I know coz I had one of those too, and an SC88....The guitars on ALL the Rolands are a joke, truly as are the basses.

The best, and I mean absolutely the best, basses and guitars belong to the Yamaha Motif XS series, followed by the ES series followed by the PA2x/M3 sound tables. Of course just my own opinion, based on actual ownership and use for my gigs and projects.

Have you actually tried the bonus "live" drum kits Korg gives you on the PA2xPro (they also came with the PA1xPro)...I use them in a lot of my tweaked styles.

But anyhoo, enjoy your Va7.......

Dennis

[mrniceneasy]

This guy in 10 days prepared his VA7 for live playing and it took me more than 2 years on korg, and still no quality

Hi pa2x, all that I can say is that I Gigged a VA7, good in it's day but no comparison or competition for me with pa2x, but that's only my opinion and I am the preverbial tweaker and I can certainly do that as you say on pa2x. Have to say though that to my ears the sounds ON my PA2X are great. JMHO