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midiman2 · Post by **midiman2** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:55 am

I am also new to the mordern synth scean. I played professionally about 20 years ago and wanted to get back in. The older synths I have Like the Roland JX8P and Yamaha DX-21 which were high tech in their day, seem like toys compaired to today's technology. Here's my question. I want to set up a drum kit on the left side of the X50 keybord and a piano or organ sound on the right. I tried reading the manual but I guess it is a little over my head. I would appreciate any help from you pros out there as to how to set it up, save it, and recall it when I want.
Thanks,
Midiman2

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:25 am

I don't own an X50, but if it's like the TR, LE, Triton, Karma, and other Korg synths, it's easy.
choose the patches you want in COMBI mode, then press MENU, and go to KEYZ, (key zone) open that, and there you are!
I think the default is upper G9 and lower C1, so just decide how much of the lower keyboard you need for drums, and set the highest note, toggle to the next patch and do the same.
You'll get it, it's just assigning the section of the keyboard to the appropriate patch.
Good luck.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:20 pm

when you have the top or bottom field highlighted, you can also hold down the enter key and press the key you want from the keyboard. this works with (as far as I am aware) all fields where you have to enter note number or a velocity value

midiman2 · Post by **midiman2** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:57 pm

Thanks, Stephen, I'll give it a try.

midiman2 · Post by **midiman2** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:00 pm

Thanks, X-Trade, I'll check it out tonight when I get home from work.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:27 pm

Using the X-50 software editor lets you easily set the keyboard zones for each timbre. Just click on the Key/Vel Zone tab, then click or drag any of the red horizontal bars on the screen.

midiman2 · Post by **midiman2** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:59 pm

Thanks, XLMGUY, but I am doing this onboard not using software. I haven't got to that level yet.

mocando · Post by **mocando** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:08 pm

Yes, but you can save the setting on the keyboard using the editor and it will be there for you to perform. I mean, is much easier to set things on the computer using the editor than tweaking with the keyboard buttons and dials.

In my case, I don't use it much because my M50 have a touchscreen which is a pleasure to use.

midiman2 · Post by **midiman2** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:03 am

Thanks, Macondo, I'll give it a try. Last night I tried some of the other suggestions without any success. I'll install the editor and give it a whirl. Is it intuitive or is there anything I should know about using the editor? Any help would be appreciated. I'm good on computers but not on keyboard software which I have never used.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:58 am

using the editor is just like editing from the front panel, except you have everything laid out in front of you!

if you have never made your own combi before, there are some things you should know (that should make all the other suggestions work too, considering that they are all the correct way to do it).

when you're making a combi, you have to activate the timbres you want to use (assuming you're starting from the blank combi). to do this you have to go to the PRM-1 tab (hit 'menu' first to get to the edit page list), and set the timbres you want to use to INT instead of OFF or EXT. also make sure that the channel is set to the global channel (should appear with a 'g' next to it if it is. for example it will show '02' if you put it on ch2 but if you put it on ch1 it will say '01g').

then I assume you know how to set the program for each timbre in the PRG (or PROG?) page, and set the level and pan in the MIX page.

you might also want to go to the IFX: Bus page to make sure that the timbre is set to output to the 'IFX' or '1/2' bus and not set to 'off'.

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:11 pm

midiman2 wrote:Thanks, Macondo, I'll give it a try. Last night I tried some of the other suggestions without any success. I'll install the editor and give it a whirl. Is it intuitive or is there anything I should know about using the editor? Any help would be appreciated. I'm good on computers but not on keyboard software which I have never used.

The process described does work, I do it a lot!
What can we do to help you?

midiman2 · Post by **midiman2** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:30 pm

OK I'm in the editor and I don't see any menu option nor do I see the PRM-1 tab. What tabs I see are:
Browser Small Browser Utility Play Tone Adjust Timbre Param

Midi Filter Key/Vel Zone Arp/Controls Insert FX and Master FX.

I am using version 1.0.3
Help, this is driving me nuts! I don't know what I'm doing at all.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:31 pm

X-Trade was referring to what you would do without the editor, using the keyboard menus.

Since you have the editor running, just click on that Timbre Param tab (to set a timbre to INT) and the Key/Vel Zone tab for the keyboard splits for each timbre.

midiman2 · Post by **midiman2** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:26 am

OK, But like I said, I don't know anything about this. Like how to get the program (s) I want to the upper and the other one (s) to the lower. I am really green at this. The default on the Timbre tab is INT, midi is global, do I set each sound to a different midi channel? How do you set the split on the Key/Vel tab? Do I need the program (sound) I want on the keyboard 1st? I'm sorry for being such a dunce but a lot has changed in 20 years. Anyone with the patience to assist me would greatly appreciated. I have some gigs coming up in August and I want to be able to call up the sounds & combis I need in an instant, so you see I have an almost impossible task ahead. I'm a willing learner and am computer savy but this is way over my head right now. A situation I hope to correct with y'all"s help.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:30 am

you don't need to change the channels. they should all be global.

a combi is at its simplest a stack of programs. it has 16 'timbres' and each of these timbres points to (and thus loads and sounds) a program.
so if I wanted program A011 and Program B076 in a combi, I would set two timbres to INT, and then set one timbre'a program to be A011, and the other to be B076.

from there, you can set what note and velocity range each timbre responds to, so if I wanted timbre 1 to play the bottom half of the keyboard, and timbre 2 to play the top half, I'd have to change timbre 1's upper (top) limit note number to Middle C, or wherever. Let say middle C for now. So I would actually set the top to the B below - B3
Then i'd set the bottom(lower) limit for timbre 2 to C4.

Now I have a basic keysplit combi

I don't have the editor as I have a TR so I can't tell you exactly where to click and that, but its all the same concept.

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