Radias III by Mauri Italy

[nemmo]

To each their own i think.

I have a Novation KS4, a Radias and an Alesis Micron. Most people don't understand why do i need three different virtual analogue synths.

He needs three Radias, and it looks awesome IMHO.

I wouldn't use it because i rarely use all 4 parts of my Radias at once.

[xmlguy]

To each their own i think.

I have a Novation KS4, a Radias and an Alesis Micron. Most people don't understand why do i need three different virtual analogue synths.

He needs three Radias, and it looks awesome IMHO.

I wouldn't use it because i rarely use all 4 parts of my Radias at once.

Actually, I'm not criticizing his personal choice of gear. It's his money. I'm just trying to understand the motivation.

Having three VA synths is far easier to understand because there are signficant differences between them, particularly when they're from three different manufacturers. Even having three Microns makes more sense, since they're relatively cheap. But two additional Radias synths costs some serious money, more than an M3-M + EXB-Radias, for example.

[slammah2012]

I'm still trying to figure out why it would be worth spending three times the cost of one Radias, when you can lay down just as many tracks with one by simply recording 4 tracks at a time instead of 12. What kind of music can require 12 timbres and 72 poly of VA synthesis at a time? You can get 120+ poly from a rompler/sampler. Wouldn't the money be better spent on a M3+EXB-RADIAS to get virtualized hardware, KARMA, and integrated VA synthesis?

Some of us musicians still play live XMLguy....
we aren't all dee jays
And if the player needs 3 radias synths in his rig along with his other synths, Maybe seeing his show might answer some of the questions.....Honestly with 1 Keyboard running his lower 2 radias units ,He may just be increasing his polyphony to 48 (which is still 16 less than my Quadra synth from the 90's) that would give him 4 voices for nice motion sequencing on pads with 12 note polyphony and one top radias for leads or Sequencing... It really isnt over the top....is it?

I run a 16 Voice analog CS80 with a 64 voice Quadrasynth, a fully Polyphonic 3 part multitimbral Creamware B4000 and 12 Voice Prodyssey, and a 32 part linear additive synth live, and use the radias mainly as a bass synth...In all, 5 octaves non midi, and 1 76 note controller (programmed with midi splits) and the 4 octave radiasKYBD...

The real trick is, the more you have available, the easier it is to access as a player,and if you know how patch changing silences the radias between patches, it is almost necessary to have more than 1 live....for smooth transitions...
I rarely change presets for the bass, so I am fine with it...

I dont feel like I am over doing it...

[slammah2012]

To each their own i think.

I have a Novation KS4, a Radias and an Alesis Micron. Most people don't understand why do i need three different virtual analogue synths.

He needs three Radias, and it looks awesome IMHO.

I wouldn't use it because i rarely use all 4 parts of my Radias at once.

Actually, I'm not criticizing his personal choice of gear. It's his money. I'm just trying to understand the motivation.

Having three VA synths is far easier to understand because there are signficant differences between them, particularly when they're from three different manufacturers. Even having three Microns makes more sense, since they're relatively cheap. But two additional Radias synths costs some serious money, more than an M3-M + EXB-Radias, for example.

the Micron (although it has some nice sounds) has mini keys for a useless keyboard. They are not full sised keys as advertised...they are short in length and are hinged at a sharp playing angle....the same reason I returned mine to the store...It has 8 note polyphony which is 1/3 the radias polyphony... I agree it is much cheaper...but it stays in the store.

[xmlguy]

Some of us musicians still play live XMLguy....
we aren't all dee jays
And if the player needs 3 radias synths in his rig along with his other synths, Maybe seeing his show might answer some of the questions.....Honestly with 1 Keyboard running his lower 2 radias units ,He may just be increasing his polyphony to 48 (which is still 16 less than my Quadra synth from the 90's) that would give him 4 voices for nice motion sequencing on pads with 12 note polyphony and one top radias for leads or Sequencing... It really isnt over the top....is it?

I run a 16 Voice analog CS80 with a 64 voice Quadrasynth, a fully Polyphonic 3 part multitimbral Creamware B4000 and 12 Voice Prodyssey, and a 32 part linear additive synth live, and use the radias mainly as a bass synth...In all, 5 octaves non midi, and 1 76 note controller (programmed with midi splits) and the 4 octave radiasKYBD...

The real trick is, the more you have available, the easier it is to access as a player,and if you know how patch changing silences the radias between patches, it is almost necessary to have more than 1 live....for smooth transitions...
I rarely change presets for the bass, so I am fine with it...

I dont feel like I am over doing it...

For live, why then is the configuration using 12 channels on the mixer? Only 6 channels are needed for a stereo mix with 3 synths. Also the mention of surround out indicates a studio setup, not a live rig.

As I said with my other reply, having 4 different synths, like you do, is completely different than having 3 of the same. Not that it's any big deal, since he very well could need 3 Radias for some reason: I'm just curious why. He said he was testing the configuration. Instead of taking my questioning as negative criticism, which isn't my intent, it can instead be a constructive opportunity to reconsider the motivation for having multiple identical synths when the expense might be spent on complementary gear. It's one thing to have lots of pretty knobs, but quite another to get a wider range of synthesis.

[nemmo]

To each their own i think.

I have a Novation KS4, a Radias and an Alesis Micron. Most people don't understand why do i need three different virtual analogue synths.

He needs three Radias, and it looks awesome IMHO.

I wouldn't use it because i rarely use all 4 parts of my Radias at once.

Actually, I'm not criticizing his personal choice of gear. It's his money. I'm just trying to understand the motivation.

Having three VA synths is far easier to understand because there are signficant differences between them, particularly when they're from three different manufacturers. Even having three Microns makes more sense, since they're relatively cheap. But two additional Radias synths costs some serious money, more than an M3-M + EXB-Radias, for example.

the Micron (although it has some nice sounds) has mini keys for a useless keyboard. They are not full sised keys as advertised...they are short in length and are hinged at a sharp playing angle....the same reason I returned mine to the store...It has 8 note polyphony which is 1/3 the radias polyphony... I agree it is much cheaper...but it stays in the store.

I'm currently using my Radias to play the Micron. The Micron has a very Virus sound, so they both complement each other.

[slammah2012]

Some of us musicians still play live XMLguy....
we aren't all dee jays
And if the player needs 3 radias synths in his rig along with his other synths, Maybe seeing his show might answer some of the questions.....Honestly with 1 Keyboard running his lower 2 radias units ,He may just be increasing his polyphony to 48 (which is still 16 less than my Quadra synth from the 90's) that would give him 4 voices for nice motion sequencing on pads with 12 note polyphony and one top radias for leads or Sequencing... It really isnt over the top....is it?

I run a 16 Voice analog CS80 with a 64 voice Quadrasynth, a fully Polyphonic 3 part multitimbral Creamware B4000 and 12 Voice Prodyssey, and a 32 part linear additive synth live, and use the radias mainly as a bass synth...In all, 5 octaves non midi, and 1 76 note controller (programmed with midi splits) and the 4 octave radiasKYBD...

The real trick is, the more you have available, the easier it is to access as a player,and if you know how patch changing silences the radias between patches, it is almost necessary to have more than 1 live....for smooth transitions...
I rarely change presets for the bass, so I am fine with it...

I dont feel like I am over doing it...

For live, why then is the configuration using 12 channels on the mixer? Only 6 channels are needed for a stereo mix with 3 synths. Also the mention of surround out indicates a studio setup, not a live rig.

As I said with my other reply, having 4 different synths, like you do, is completely different than having 3 of the same. Not that it's any big deal, since he very well could need 3 Radias for some reason: I'm just curious why. He said he was testing the configuration. Instead of taking my questioning as negative criticism, which isn't my intent, it can instead be a constructive opportunity to reconsider the motivation for having multiple identical synths when the expense might be spent on complementary gear. It's one thing to have lots of pretty knobs, but quite another to get a wider range of synthesis.

Since he is using his individual channels into his console,(12 outs to 12 ins) it gives him the flexibility of folding back partially mixed audio into his inputs....at the sametime having mixes with the master FX on a stereo pair...

Example ...A pad with Motion sequencing is sent through the master FX into 1 and 2 which go to main mix on the console... independent outs on same radias could be feeding a dry rhythmic sequence into channels 3 and 4 bypassing main mix, but is sent back out thru the Auxillary sends 3 4 5 and 6 to radias #2 and #3 as inputs, where they could be passed thru as envelope followers or vocoder Carriers/Modulators or thru other Motion Sequenced filters and then passed out through the stereo outs into 5 and 6 and into 9 and 10 and from there to main mix out.... in turn, the individual outs of #2 and #3 could go into the console at 7/8 and 11/12 , bypassing the main mix on the console fed back thru Aux 1 and 2 into the inputs of Radias 1 and on to the master FX out...

The console in this fashion would be used as a way to patch ins to outs between the 3 units(hopefully avoiding a feedback loop...)
Or maybe he is using his other synths back into the fold back....


It would be interesting for his explaination of the multi outputs..... I can see it used in the way I mentioned....I have a little Digital Behringer console with snapshots, so If I had such a set up, I could save input to output routing in a snapshot preset.....to recall later....

[Akiss]

To each their own i think.

I have a Novation KS4, a Radias and an Alesis Micron. Most people don't understand why do i need three different virtual analogue synths.

He needs three Radias, and it looks awesome IMHO.

I wouldn't use it because i rarely use all 4 parts of my Radias at once.

I have a radias too and I am thinking of getting an Alesis Micron... what do you think of Micron? how many presets does it have? can you save the ones tweak and alter? thanx Akiss

[Akiss]

A Radias + EMX + ESX + KP3 is a far more powerful combination than 3 Radias, and at a fraction of the price too.

can you be a little a bit more precise when you say EMX + ESX.... thanx

[KevHammer]

EMX and ESX are from the korg electribe series. EMX is synth based and ESX is sample based. Both are really fun and even have vacuum tubes in them!

[Akiss]

EMX and ESX are from the korg electribe series. EMX is synth based and ESX is sample based. Both are really fun and even have vacuum tubes in them!

Thanx. Do they sold separate as a stand alone Synths?

[meatballfulton]

EMX and ESX are from the korg electribe series. EMX is synth based and ESX is sample based. Both are really fun and even have vacuum tubes in them!

Thanx. Do they sold separate as a stand alone Synths?

Yes
EmX
ESX

[gdh]

I would like to see some pics of the setup from behind - which controller is that you are using and did you connect the Radias' to it or are they on a stand with the contoller pushed up against them. It is one hell of a cool setup that yo have and I can see the possibilities for some great live sounds. One of the things that has irked at me since I first got the Radias was the sound cutoff while changing a patch in live situations this can be a pain.