Combine two different sets to one set?

[macboy]

Macboy,
Please think of yourself as one single user and not more! how you handle your music , gigs,user styles..etc does not represent anybody else. This is a "BIG PROBLEM" for a lot of users obviously, because i signed up in few forums within the last few days, and i've seen this topic all over the place. It's definitley more than "half hour" process, for people who need to do this constantly for several reasons. I'm glad that you have a perfect set for your gigs, but that means nothing to me and many others. If a company dares to call a product professional arranger, it must have a professional approach towards solving a problem that it existed for a long time. It's very nice to hear about open systems and User contributions, but that's a very little comfort. When i heard there was a new OS, and it made it a brand new keyboard , i didn't expect this. This was a big disappointment for me. I like so many things about it. I still have 7 more days to decide if i want to keep it or not. I'm not sure if people from other countries even have such a choice.

Hello Kinkos.

I did not try to offend you or someone else. To make sure: I hate it also, do you think I like it that I cannot combine SET's in an easy way ? Do you think I am happy about it ? Of course not.

I was just saying that it is a possible thing. Like Lee and Nikola say: it is a problem, but it is possible.

We all would want Korg to make it easier. We all would like to have the open source so it will be easier, but just remember (if you read long enough) that there are people like MickB working on this problem and there will be a solution to it.

Untill then, you have to combine SET's yourself and it is possible and if you have done it one, it will be even easier, as long as you have the time and patience to do it.

For the rest: a lot of people don't know how to work well with the favorites banks and with deleting styles that they do not use and using the songbook and other possibilities to get 1000 styles.

(still would like to here how 1000 styles could not be enough? Or make 2000 styles for before break and after break, than 2 SET's should be enough with 2000 style?)

[A.K.]

aww the non ending story!!! One of the main reasons why I told 4 guys not to buy this POS keyboard! You would think that after so many folks who complained they would get it!! Korg is useless when it comes to taking care of their customers! They are great at taking you're money for crappy product they make, especially PA800! I have lost all faith in Korg! I will never buy another KORG again!! For all you korg lovers I don't need to hear your love for the PA series! Unfortunately mine does not work!

As for getting to know the product! If I wanted to spend weeks on compiling sets, I would have gone into data mining field! Instead of playing music I'm scratching my head on how to deal with sounds I need! No thanks, I will stick to playing music rather learning than "get arounds" that take weeks and hours of my time everytime I find a set I like to be compiled! Korg has done very poor job and this simply means one thing! They don't give a Sh#t about any of us or our talent for music but they rather we become programmers like MickB. (no offense to you bud )

So here we are at the mercy of a programmer to make something happen for all of us or start a money fund to raise enough money to solve the problem! How pathetic does that sounds? haha Anways you guys can open up a trust account and once the software is completed MickB will get the money or if he doesnt you simply get your money back. Trust account will have to be opened by someone you guys trust on the forum who will then make decision to either send money to MickB or back to you guys. The ideas we come up to solve this pos problem! Its truely emberrasing!


BTW my useless POS PA800 is for sale if anyone wants it! Mint condition since I never could use it for live performances.

[kottan]

many of the opinions in this thread are very difficult to understand. The PA keyboard's functionality exceeds those of most others on the market.
Still, complaining about "tricky" ways to get to results remains dominant. Quite sad, especially if comments get more and more aggressive and impulsive.

As user of PA2Xpro I hardly understand the entire discussion, there is more than one way to achieve most of desired functionality, it requires some manual reading ...

so, no complains at all from my side to that topic.

kottan

[BasariStudios]

it requires some manual reading ...

I dont think that helps here, i think i know the synth more then the engineers
that created it but its still doesnt help me at all, tried many ways.

[pcguy]

[quote="macboy"]
For the rest: a lot of people don't know how to work well with the favorites banks and with deleting styles that they do not use and using the songbook and other possibilities to get 1000 styles.[quote]

1000 styles? that's not possible within the same set, is it? Forget about factory styles. How many user styles can you have on a pa 800? It can't be more than empty slots of 3 user banks and favorite banks, right?

[BasariStudios]

You can have up to 416 user styles, which is not ENOUGH...LOL.

[yero]

Any news on this issues or are we all F***ed?

[Rob Sherratt]

If user styles are developed to use only factory sounds, then these can be saved in a .SET file and given to other people and they can merge them with their own Style data by using the OPEN procedure to find and load the individual styles within the .STY file in the STYLE subfolder. The procedure is quick, takes no more than 15 minutes. Apparently, the commercial styles developed by BasariStudios use only factory sounds for this reason.

The difficulties in merging .SET files arise when user styles are developed to use user sounds and/or user drumkits. The merge procedure is complex and time consuming because it involves manually editing every style element within every style to repair broken links to any "relocated" user sounds.

Our criticism of Korg is that the Pa keyboards are sold on the basis that many hundreds of user styles, user sounds and user drumkits can be loaded. Yet no effective mechanisms have been provided to accomplish this if the user styles, sounds and drumkits come from different sources.

Third party developments of a solution have stalled because Korg have not supplied necessary information on the proprietary file formats.

I own both a Korg Pa2x and a Korg M3. On the whole I am pretty pleased with both keyboards. But I cannot understand why Korg cater for every request and requirement coming from users of the M3 keyboard, with PC based editor, DAW plugins, etc. Yet this similar request from owners of Pa keyboards is repeatedly ignored.

Best regards,
Rob

[BasariStudios]

Yamaha has fixed that well, User sounds and DKs are implemented inside the
style, for each individual style so no matter where you load it its there.

[yero]

How would I port over sampled performance sounds? I have sample D50 sounds on a set I want to combine to a new set. Thanks.

If korg doesn't fix this then we can say KORG SUCKS maybe should of gone with a yamaha since they listen to customer issues.

[macboy]

PCGuy and others: still I do not see anybody of the complainers react to my post and that of Nedim that you can have more than 400 user styles.

How the hell can that be not enough for a live gig ??

I still do not understand that. And as long people are ignoring me and Nedim on that point, I fail to acknowledge these complaints as true problems.

Our criticism of Korg is that the Pa keyboards are sold on the basis that many hundreds of user styles, user sounds and user drumkits can be loaded. Yet no effective mechanisms have been provided to accomplish this if the user styles, sounds and drumkits come from different sources.

Not true. It is not easy, but it is possible. You just need 30 minutes of your time and all can be done fairly simple. Save it afterwards and your problems are solved for ever.

[sehasafade12]

Hello macboy:

I am not sure what type of music you play but when it comes to styles for Turkish,Arabic,Irani,Afghani,Indian music, just one Variation could use 5 to 6 user space. Now you do the counting and you will see a simple set could occupy all of the spaces and now if you want to combine sets, little space will not do us any good. Combining sets is always possible but it really takes a long time. Also every culture and music is different. You can not tell me that how come 400 is not enough. You have no idea what I need and what I deal with. I am really getting tired of this subject and people just keep insulting each other over this subject. Just we all should remember that one set could be good for one but not for some one else.

Best regards,

Fahim,