I hate manuals!

NormKorg · Post by **NormKorg** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:10 am

Is there an easy way to simply record a combi and real-time performance then dump it to USB 2 without reading the entire manual 5 times or spending a month listening to the sudosonic instructions without going to sleep?

I would be please to spend time learning all of the inside out stuff in due time but for now all I wish to do is play some real time stuff, with combi or karma background, recording it, then dumping it to usb2 to use as background to some video.

Any help would be sincerely appreciated. I simply want to play, record, dump to usb2, and save on computer as a wav.

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:59 am

It would help to know how much experience you already have with this type of synth, I had a Triton Studio before and found I could do what you're attempting after just a few quick flips thru a couple sections of the book, but that's because I already knew how to record a combi performance on the Triton. It's rather easy to do, but if you're starting from total scratch then there is a certain learning curve. There's a lot of steps if you need the whole thing explained in detail. If there's a particular part where you're stuck it's a bit easier to answer your question.

NormKorg · Post by **NormKorg** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:05 am

Thanks for the response. I simply want to know how to record, save and transfer.

For example, I play a combi song and do a tune on keyboard, then all I wish to do is save the entire song for transfer via usb2 to a computer as a wav file. I plan to figure out the intense stuff later, but it is frustrating to me that I cannot simply "record, send to wav, and apply to an audio track". I love the intense stuff that I can "later" learn, for sure, but it is a touch frustrating that I can't even transfer a recording to computer in a simple way.

I simply cannot believe that I can't play a live program, record it, and save it to a wav file without getting into some technical void where I need to become both technician and musician. I am a musician, not an engineer, and would appreciate some help, if possible.

This machine is amazing, but, if one has an amazing machine but cannot work it, the value depreciates. The most simple act of this machine, to me, would be to create a song, and record it, and transfer it.

I know how to create the song, but do not know how to record and transfer it. I could plug it in to my D1600, record a track, and put it on CDWR, but I'm attempting to make the transfer less confusing. I'm sure that the confusion is completely mine because I simply have not done this sort of thing before, and this is where I inquire of you experts.

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:16 am

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:05 pm

I would suggest this. Find a combi you like and wish to record your performance, then you hit (I think it's record and enter key-look that one up it tells you how to go from combi mode directly into sequencer mode) then you simply start playing and it stores all your performance in midi format. Now you have a sequence of midi notes that you played. You should then 'save as' your sequence and pcg also to make sure you have the exact pcg assignments in case you change them in the future. Then to make a wav of it, you simply go to the sample tab and all the way to the right is the 'auto assign' and you want a 2 channel mix to external audio, perhaps a usb stick, the spot right before auto assign is where you open up and tell it to save to your usb and give it a name. Then hit sample rec and start then start your sequencer and it will record your sequence to a wav file. That's roughly the steps, but as much as you hate manuals, it is better described in there the procedure I've just outlined here. And if you love these workstations so much, you must become somewhat of an engineer to harness them and will love the m3 even more when it begins to obey your in-depth expertise. You don't have to watch the whole sudosonics etc, pick what you need and study that. The part about recording combis is not that long.

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:06 pm

all I wish to do is play some real time stuff, with combi or karma background, recording it, then dumping it to usb2 to use as background to some video.

I do this a lot, but never with USB, I just record the audio, save it as whatever file type I want, and that's it.
The USB thing is ok for MIDI application, but if you're gonna use the M3 sounds anyway, why not make it easy on yourself, plug the AUDIO outputs into your soundcard, and record it.
I use Sonar, and Soundforge, but if you have Windows Media player, or something, that'll work.
HTH

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:30 pm

NormKorg wrote:I know how to create the song, but do not know how to record and transfer it.

Page 127 in the M3 manual explains how to make a WAVE file from the song you recorded into the sequencer. It will save to USB for you.

NormKorg · Post by **NormKorg** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:29 am

Thanks guys, much appreciated, I think I now have a handle on it thanks to George's suggestion to go back and review only the vids that relate to the sequencing and saving. I've now done everything except save to an external hard drive but I now know the procedure (none of my existing hard drives are formatted to FAT, I use them for still photography and the default NTFS works fine). I'm sure that once I have a USB that is FAT formatted that all will go nicely.

I hope

Anyway, I appreciate your patience with my ignorance.

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:18 am

Well, much luck, we've all been there, and from my experience I would say that once you've mastered some of the main functions and techniques you will begin to take some pride in being a sound engineer as well as musician, many of us online here have had to learn the whole production process from concept to finished cd, I do everything myself, cd covers, vocals, sequencing, final mastering, burning the cds. Each step was a bit painful until I got the gist of it. Now I'm finishing up my 3rd cd and it's getting a bit easier, though the song writing part is the hardest as that never gets easier no matter how tech savvy I get.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:11 am

The first thing i do when i buy a musical piece of equipement like keyboard,
mixer, processor, software is I THROW THE MANUALS IN TRASH RIGHT AWAY.
If i keep them i will screw my self up and never learn anything.

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:19 pm

You don't even find it useful to keep something like the parameter guide? I figured out a lot of the working of my TR on my own, but have used the parameter guide a lot to figure out things like effects settings and routing.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:06 pm

Of course you need certain thing but then you have to waste time looking in
the manual, veryyyy rare i would use SEARCH in a PDF manual and thats all
about it. Once you learn one synth all the way the other ones are pretty much
the same, i started with M1 and since then i never need a Korg manual.

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:11 pm

well, that's why I first ask an individual what is there experience level? I don't use the manual at all for things that I learned on the Tstudio. A lot is the same, but if you're brand new to korg you might need to study up a bit more.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:26 pm

I mean people are different, everyone has different habits and way of working
and sometimes even no matter what experience they have. I know people that
are masters and still first read the manual and i also know people that dont know
anything but they just start playing with the machine around.

NormKorg · Post by **NormKorg** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:10 am

I had an analog studio in Calgary and had all of the old stuff, like a plate reverb that was actually a "plate" that was about 8 feet long. My goal at that time was to create the best reverb voice sound that I could. George Fox, who hosted the Canadian music awards, was my first client. He came back from Nashville and wanted to record an album. I recorded the guy and knew that he was going to go somewhere, his voice was amazing. I recorded him on a 4 track teac.

I am getting back into recording and the learning curve from analog to digital is going to be difficult, but I'm up for the challenge, and am thankful to people like George (this George, not George Fox ) who are willing to share their expertise.

I am impressed with the idea that "no manual" is required, but personally am not at that great level of expertise.

Thanks to all of you who help me and others out on this forum.

Clearly all of these "George" people are dynamics in the life of my recording world.