Is Karma useful for creating original music?

[EJ2]

you can develop your own taylor made Bass GE

Therefore, you admit, that M3 is not enough to create song, especially dance style.

I am suggesting to buy M50 what is M3 without unnecessary things (for songwriters) and get Karma software (and arpeggiator, of course)

I was disappointed that M3 does not have an arpeggiator, like M50 or Triton.

I was very disappointed again when understood that Korg does not want to make an arpeggiator in M3.

Sorry about my whining, but somebody has to add flies in your honey ointment.

Your logic is not correct. That would be like saying, this particular keyboard does not play Bach's Passacaglia in Dm so it's not enough to create music. Of course you can use it as is. The additional KARMA software available from Karma Lab allows you to get at all of the KARMA features in a more graphic interface, albeit within a computer environment. By the way, the M50 doesn't have KARMA at all, nor the KARMA Real Time Controls. You need KARMA M50 software from Karma-Lab in order to do what the M3 already does.

I do understand that you may feel more comfortable with a simpler set up and simpler arpeggiator found in the M50. But, I am sorry, Westnik, the M3 can do much more than the M50. And that's mainly because the M3 has KARMA technology onboard.

[QuiRobinez]

you can develop your own taylor made Bass GE

Therefore, you admit, that M3 is not enough to create song, especially dance style.

I am suggesting to buy M50 what is M3 without unnecessary things (for songwriters) and get Karma software (and arpeggiator, of course)

I was disappointed that M3 does not have an arpeggiator, like M50 or Triton.

I was very disappointed again when understood that Korg does not want to make an arpeggiator in M3.

i can understand your point of view on this. I disagree with some points of them however.

I agree on the point that the M3 should have a simple arpeggiator pattern creator, just like the M50 or the Motif XS. In both you can create arp patterns in a breeze.

This can also be done on the M3 but you need to buy the KARMA software for this, which is a great piece of software, but probably way to much functionality for just creating simple arp patterns in the M3. So the M3 Workstation itself is simply lacking this functionality compared to the competitors.

however, i don't agree with your remark that the M3 is not enough for creatings songs in Dance Styles. Also the remark of a missing 'simple arpeggiator' like the Triton Arpeggiator is not true.

The complete triton arpeggiator is in the M3 as a model. There is an excellent tutorial which can be found on Karma-Lab that explains how to use the KARMA GE arp model which is the Triton arpeggiator.

I've used this tutorial to create dance sounds and triton arps on these sounds in the M3. So check that one out to see how it's done

also, the M3 Karma engine is much more suited for dance and trance pattterns then the m50 or triton in my opinion. Because dance and trance relies very much on repeating patterns the KARMA GE can produce great patterns for your sounds. Especially if you use stepdelays on your arped sounds it will create 'unique' groovy patterns for you dance tracks. This goes way beyond what a conventional arpeggiator can do, and if you stick to the basics (just the sliders and knobs) everyone can easely create those unique patterns.

so lets say, you use the KARMA GE 'triton arpeggiator' model, and you use some of the slider tricks (like replication of notes in a harmonic model (which is just one slider) , then you already have a great addon to the rather simplistic triton arpeggiator, and that is where it gets very interesting when you create your dance tracks

[georgeinar]

Question: why are you using combi mode for creating a song, you don't use the sequencer for some reason?

[dfahrner]

Has anybody used KARMA to compose “conventional” chord-structure based songs (as opposed to electronica/dance/drone/modal compositions)? Maybe using scenes for different parts of the song (intros, verse, etc.), with RTPs and Dynamic MIDI to make things more interesting? KARMA as an intelligent auto-arranger? I asked this same question last month, and got no answer - does that mean, like in "Micky One", "the answer is there is no answer"?

df

[Sharp]

Has anybody used KARMA to compose “conventional” chord-structure based songs (as opposed to electronica/dance/drone/modal compositions)? Maybe using scenes for different parts of the song (intros, verse, etc.), with RTPs and Dynamic MIDI to make things more interesting? KARMA as an intelligent auto-arranger? I asked this same question last month, and got no answer - does that mean, like in "Micky One", "the answer is there is no answer"?

df

I have on the OASYS.
I actually converted a Style from the Pa1X Arranger keyboard into a Karma for a project I was working on.

Regards.
Sharp.

[Diego]

Hi Sharp!
How did you do this convertion?


Regards!