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jorgemncardoso · Full Member Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237

BTW, the main synth pad for the song in the Wavestation's "Ooo's" patch, Ram 3 number 45. If you have the Wavestation legacy vst you can check it out.
It's just a plain syn vocal "ooo's" pad. That should be easy to replicate on the Kronos as it has all of the Wavestation's samples
As the song progresses to the chorus Tony adds a warm analog string pad from the JD800 to thicken the sound.
The sound for the "solo" in the middle of the chorus is a JD800 patch, typical Roland "Fantasia" 'like type of patch. I have one that is spot on in my JV1010 Very Happy

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jorgemncardoso · Full Member Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237

I've been carefully listening to the sample again and comparing to the recording, and i find it's very close but not really spot on the original. I remembered the difficulties i had when i tried to edit mine:

When you make the pitch shift (9 semitones down) of the original sample recorded by Tony you get the basic sound but a simple time shifting of the entire sample won't be enough because the final one was stretched on one side and shrieked on another to fit the length of the 4 bars and the independent notes per bar.
So i had to do a little time stretch to the whole sample first, and time shrink the end tail of the sample. I think it is as spot on the original as possible
I'm posting it here in case you want to use it Wink

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bk798tj33h0q4xo/NSOM_Elephant%20Sample.wav?dl=0
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Yamaha: Motif XS8
Roland: expanded JV-1010 modules (3X)
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enigmahack · Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:37 pm Post subject:

jorgemncardoso · Full Member Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237

jorgemncardoso · Full Member Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237

Just tweaked the sample a bit more, besides the already posted sample in the original E key, i've also converted it to mono, so you have a stereo and mono versions (as the original is mono) it sound's slightly different, the mono version is more "in your face" i think. It will probably work best for live use.
I've also included a D key version (stereo and mono) version, as used on the TIOA 2007 tour. Very Happy

They are identified as E / D Stereo / Mono

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bmgjuu787xqo604/NSOM-Elephant%20Sample%20and%20Clock%20Intro%20%28D-E_Mono-Stereo%29.rar?dl=0

UPDATE: I've redone the whole thing again (told you i was a bit obsessive with accuracy Embarassed

), and updated the link above.

I've found out the mais problem with the supposedly "original" sample on Karma Forums, it was pitched down a few semitones insted of being in the right original E key (don't know why:roll:) . That's why i've always had problems with the right tempo when pitching it down to make the final version. I''ve corrected the pitch to the original to E, and then pitched it down the -12 semitones (to E-12) and cut it again, now it fits the correct tempo without any more time stretch tweaks (just like Tony Banks did) Smile

I've also added a looped sample on the clock intro with the kick drum on a loop, you can assign it to repeat with the sustain pedal on.

Here is a little looped example on how the whole thing shoud sound when played together:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbe70vcnv0on0gn/NSOM%20Intro%20test-loop.wav?dl=0
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Korg: Trinity, 01/Wfd (2X), T3 ex, Wavestation SR
Yamaha: Motif XS8
Roland: expanded JV-1010 modules (3X)
...And a bucket load of Softsynths, plug-ins, and DAW's Smile

jorgemncardoso · Full Member Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237

Update above
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Yamaha: Motif XS8
Roland: expanded JV-1010 modules (3X)
...And a bucket load of Softsynths, plug-ins, and DAW's Smile

jeremykeys · Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:47 pm Post subject:

jorgemncardoso · Full Member Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237

Hi, as far as i know the Watcher sound os two Mellotron sounds stacked together, the brass and the 3 violins, running through a Leslie with a tad of overdrive.
You can get free and great mellotron samples here:
http://www.leisureland.us/audio/MellotronSamples/MellotronSamples.htm
or you can get a free kontakt library made with those samples here:
http://fabel2112.synthpop.com/
You also get a free fairlight factory sample library there if you want Very Happy

You just need to layer those two sounds and run it through a Leslie or a good SIM and the sound is there.
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Korg: Trinity, 01/Wfd (2X), T3 ex, Wavestation SR
Yamaha: Motif XS8
Roland: expanded JV-1010 modules (3X)
...And a bucket load of Softsynths, plug-ins, and DAW's Smile

keego · Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 8:32 pm Post subject:

Watcher of the skies uses Bass Accordian, Violins and Brass ran through a leslie. I sampled the vast Mtron Pro using ESC and loaded it into my Kronos and used the Kronos onboard effects. I used this During my time in Genesis Tribute Carpet Crawlers
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keego · Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 8:36 pm Post subject:

Thats on the original where he used a Mellotron MKII which had the dual keyboard. From Selling England he started using a M400 live so on that tour and the lamb it would indeed have been violins and brass mix.
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Previous:
Korg:X5D,Wavestation, N364, Trinity,Triton Classic,Triton Studio, Korg M3 61 w/ EXB-Radias
Ensoniq:TS12, SD1, ASR10
Roland:XP10, JD-800, Roland XV88, A90ex
Kurzweil:K2500RS, K2661, PC3
Nord: Electro 3

BillW · Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:03 pm Post subject:

Those recipes for the Watcher intro are correct. The brass and violins are already in the Kronos. I use bass accordion samples from M-Tron pro in the left hand.
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jorgemncardoso · Full Member Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237

jorgemncardoso · Full Member Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237

Hi guys, its been a while since the last post. I just thought to do an update on these samples as I worked on them again since I played this song recently.
The sample is fine tuned and as close to the one used by Tony as humanly possible. Included is the sample in the original E key, as well as one in D key as was used on the 2007 tour, and the clock sample at for the beginning of the song.

If anybody wants it you can get it here: https://db.tt/kb0I0C0E

I've also recorded a little clip of the beginning of the song with the sample to give example if how it fits in the mix.
The sounds I used for the instrumental track are the elephant sample and clock sample, and the Ooos pad of the Wavestation, as wel as an electric guitar prog from the Wavestation too.
I've just added Phil's vocal track on top I extracted from my 5.1 mix of the song: https://db.tt/142bpP5h
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Keyboard Gear:
Korg: Trinity, 01/Wfd (2X), T3 ex, Wavestation SR
Yamaha: Motif XS8
Roland: expanded JV-1010 modules (3X)
...And a bucket load of Softsynths, plug-ins, and DAW's Smile