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unixmill
Joined: 07 Mar 2014 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:48 pm Post subject: why should I buy new kronos? |
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some good reasons:
-new look
-some new sounds, including a new piano
-cheaper
anything else? not so convincing
If I was marketing director at Korg for kronos division, I would need to think twice about value for the money and how to allure more users.
existing kronos owners:
-need to provide some value to existing kronos owners. there is nothing since OS v3 is available for existing kronos
-is the new hardware faster? still takes same 2 mins to boot up, may be faster for other tasks, but older kronos was just fine
-DAW integration? does not look like anything new. motif is years ahead.
new kronos owners:
-price does not justify a workstation.
-pick up an older kronos for lot of cheaper
Korg, what is your marketing plan? tell me why I should buy a new kronos? |
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runningman67 Platinum Member
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Joined: 06 Aug 2011 Posts: 1663 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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I've got the original Kronos and I don't feel that I need to buy the new one. I don't think that Korg would expect me to either, it's customer choice.
It's just normal that a company evolves it's products. I think it's great that Korg are moving forward, I am imagining how good my next Korg Workstation will be in say, 5 years when I'm ready to change again.
That's how I see it anyway. _________________ https://m.youtube.com/user/1967runningman
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genehart Full Member
Joined: 30 Dec 2012 Posts: 208
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think there is no marketing conspiracy behind ,
probably someone who didn't realize in time , how great this thing is
were disappointed that previous models are discontinued.
and those who realize will never sell their own
KORG just made some more beautiful instruments to make players happy.
SGX-1 pianos were better and better from their first German grand
to Austrian .
It's been confirmed many times that OS 3 will be available by the end of month for previous models owners as well as new Berlin piano , which I've no doubt is even better than previous SGX pianos .
It still boots 2 minutes , so what ...
Why look for the "cons" , while there's lots of the "pros"
Thanks to it's possibilities Kronos can swallow motif and other big keyboards using sampling , of course if we take enough time and work on it well . _________________ KronosX 88, RME HDSP 9652, Sennheiser HD600, Cubase AI6 |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: why should I buy new kronos? |
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unixmill wrote: | some good reasons:
-new look
-some new sounds, including a new piano
-cheaper
anything else? not so convincing
If I was marketing director at Korg for kronos division, I would need to think twice about value for the money and how to allure more users.
existing kronos owners:
-need to provide some value to existing kronos owners. there is nothing since OS v3 is available for existing kronos
new kronos owners:
-price does not justify a workstation.
-pick up an older kronos for lot of cheaper
Korg, what is your marketing plan? tell me why I should buy a new kronos? |
Surely, there are more negatives. Let's make a stronger effort
talk me out of it _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Nice first post troll.
I suggest you pick up one of those new white Motif XFs
Busch. _________________ Kronos 73, Nautilus 61, Vox Continental 73, Monologue, Yamaha Montage 8, Rhodes Suitcase, Yamaha VL-1, Roland V-Synth, Yamaha AvantGrand, Minimoog Model D, Studio Electronics Omega 8, CSS, Spitfire, VSL, LASS, Sample Modeling, Ivory, Komplete 12, Spectrasonics, Cubase, Pro Tools, etc.
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unixmill
Joined: 07 Mar 2014 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Korg is in the business of selling musical instruments to make money. Sustaining their customers and alluring more clients is very important to them.
I posted this message 30mins ago, I got 44 views in 30mins, at least 1 view per min. just based on that, I say Korg is very successful on this marketing. I love my kronos. but I am seriously looking into buying the new one. Hence my ranting... , nothing negative about korg nor kronos but strictly facts. That is all
genehart wrote: | I think there is no marketing conspiracy behind ,
probably someone who didn't realize in time , how great this thing is
were disappointed that previous models are discontinued.
and those who realize will never sell their own
KORG just made some more beautiful instruments to make players happy.
SGX-1 pianos were better and better from their first German grand
to Austrian .
It's been confirmed many times that OS 3 will be available by the end of month for previous models owners as well as new Berlin piano , which I've no doubt is even better than previous SGX pianos .
It still boots 2 minutes , so what ...
Why look for the "cons" , while there's lots of the "pros"
Thanks to it's possibilities Kronos can swallow motif and other big keyboards using sampling , of course if we take enough time and work on it well . |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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unixmill wrote: | Korg is in the business of selling musical instruments to make money. Sustaining their customers and alluring more clients is very important to them.
I posted this message 30mins ago, I got 44 views in 30mins, at least 1 view per min. just based on that, I say Korg is very successful on this marketing. I love my kronos. but I am seriously looking into buying the new one. Hence my ranting... , nothing negative about korg nor kronos but strictly facts. That is all
genehart wrote: | I think there is no marketing conspiracy behind ,
probably someone who didn't realize in time , how great this thing is
were disappointed that previous models are discontinued.
and those who realize will never sell their own
KORG just made some more beautiful instruments to make players happy.
SGX-1 pianos were better and better from their first German grand
to Austrian .
It's been confirmed many times that OS 3 will be available by the end of month for previous models owners as well as new Berlin piano , which I've no doubt is even better than previous SGX pianos .
It still boots 2 minutes , so what ...
Why look for the "cons" , while there's lots of the "pros"
Thanks to it's possibilities Kronos can swallow motif and other big keyboards using sampling , of course if we take enough time and work on it well . |
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ok, you did convince me that you were the director of Korg marketing
( or a perfect impersonation).
so I am still waiting for more ' facts '. or Internet forum analysis. somewhat equal in value
![Laughing](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif) _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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slowtrain Full Member
Joined: 01 Jul 2014 Posts: 214 Location: SE Michigan
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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They have mentioned DAW integration in one of the videos, but they haven't said anything specific yet. _________________ Jim
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SDDP
Joined: 03 Jun 2014 Posts: 49 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding V3, here's a question for you techies.
As you know up grading version in .1 or .5 is fine. but going from a . to a whole number generally uses more cpu and computer resources. Case in point on a Macpro or even an iPhone if you have ver 6 that it came with and it's perfectly fine to up grade to 6.1, 6.4, etc. but once V7 comes out and you upgrade to that, the product DOES take a hit in processing and speed. Which is why I never (or rarely) upgrade any of my products unless it have to for a specific software that I need that also requires the new update. I run a protools studio and NEVER upgrade the mac software to a new ver.. Again unless the the latest protools that I need requires it and I have no choice and yes I do notice a hit.
So with that being said, would it be the same scenario with upgrading the Kronos when the new ver comes out?
And I DO NOT want my 2min to upgrade to 3.5 min.
Thanks _________________ Owned M1
Now Own:
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genehart Full Member
Joined: 30 Dec 2012 Posts: 208
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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we'll see in time ) _________________ KronosX 88, RME HDSP 9652, Sennheiser HD600, Cubase AI6 |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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SDDP wrote: | the product DOES take a hit in processing and speed. Which is why I never (or rarely) upgrade any of my products unless it have to for a specific software that I need that also requires the new update.
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my iPad 2 runs better/faster with the new IOS.
so there are exceptions.
its early of course, but I don't buy into any fear factor that 3.0 will automatically make my 3 yr old Kronos run slower
Lets just give the thing a chance. end of November- only 2 weeks. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:52 am Post subject: |
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SDDP wrote: | Regarding V3, here's a question for you techies.
As you know up grading version in .1 or .5 is fine. but going from a . to a whole number generally uses more cpu and computer resources. Case in point on a Macpro or even an iPhone if you have ver 6 that it came with and it's perfectly fine to up grade to 6.1, 6.4, etc. but once V7 comes out and you upgrade to that, the product DOES take a hit in processing and speed. Which is why I never (or rarely) upgrade any of my products unless it have to for a specific software that I need that also requires the new update. I run a protools studio and NEVER upgrade the mac software to a new ver.. Again unless the the latest protools that I need requires it and I have no choice and yes I do notice a hit.
So with that being said, would it be the same scenario with upgrading the Kronos when the new ver comes out?
And I DO NOT want my 2min to upgrade to 3.5 min.
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Going to a new version not always means that more memory or cpu power is needed. Sometimes it is true, but certainly not a rule.
Actually, in most cases going to a new version means additional features, bug fixes etc. The only risk for a new release is introduced new bugs, but so far Korg has made few new bugs and when they made, they fixed them very fast. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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Broadwave Platinum Member
Joined: 25 May 2011 Posts: 1118 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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From what I can tell, all the maximum voices for each engine are the same, so I doubt if the CPU is any faster... why should it be, it does the job (maybe it's a software limit... maybe it IS a faster CPU and you lucky new Kronos users might get a V3.1 upgrade that doubles polyphony. Who knows?)
Regarding the boot time, I have never seen it as a problem, there's an awful lot of data being loaded there - still faster than my old (and sold) Fantom X.
I can also see that the new V3 PRELOAD.KSC, with EXs17/18, leaves you with 760MB RAM free, as opposed to 1,129MB with the Kronos/X, so yes, loading times are probably going to be longer.
I have no idea what Korg have in store for the Kronos, but remember that the basic design has been with us since 2005 with the Oasis, and let's be honest... not much has really changed, it's all been a logical, and increasingly more affordable evolution. Korg never mentioned that the Kronos would be an "Open System" like they did with the Oasis, but that's precisely what they've given us (so far), and I sincerely applaud their commitment to us older Kronos users.
There's STILL nothing on the market like it after all this time. _________________ Synth DIY Projects |
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jeremykeys Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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If you don't like V3 I beleive you can always go back to whatever you were using before you updated. No problem! _________________ If music is the food of love, play on and play loud!
Gear: Kronos 73, Triton Pro-X, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, 1 Roland U-20, Hammond M3, 4 acoustic and 6 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a bunch of microphones and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 3 cats! |
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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unixmill wrote: | Korg is in the business of selling musical instruments to make money. Sustaining their customers and alluring more clients is very important to them.
I posted this message 30mins ago, I got 44 views in 30mins, at least 1 view per min. just based on that, I say Korg is very successful on this marketing. I love my kronos. but I am seriously looking into buying the new one. Hence my ranting... , nothing negative about korg nor kronos but strictly facts. That is all
genehart wrote: | I think there is no marketing conspiracy behind ,
probably someone who didn't realize in time , how great this thing is
were disappointed that previous models are discontinued.
and those who realize will never sell their own
KORG just made some more beautiful instruments to make players happy.
SGX-1 pianos were better and better from their first German grand
to Austrian .
It's been confirmed many times that OS 3 will be available by the end of month for previous models owners as well as new Berlin piano , which I've no doubt is even better than previous SGX pianos .
It still boots 2 minutes , so what ...
Why look for the "cons" , while there's lots of the "pros"
Thanks to it's possibilities Kronos can swallow motif and other big keyboards using sampling , of course if we take enough time and work on it well . |
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This all depends where Korg are on their marketing journey with the Kronos.
It is a well established "product" and now they can afford to reduce the price to attract new buyers.
The new look might also just attract old customers too.
People don't buy based "strictly on facts", they buy in combination with their hearts.
Why would you ever buy another car unless you wore the old one out?
Your old car has an engine and four wheels, it does the job.
The new one has a spoiler or snazzy wheels and goes faster, or has free maintenance.
You buy on the fact that the new Kronos has more features but also because it has cool or just looks the dog bollocks, or Rick Wakeman has one. _________________ Roland XP30, Hammond XK3C, SKX;Korg Kronos 73,
GEM Promega 2, Roland AX Synth, Roland Fantom FA76, Roland Fantom XR, Verghese ProSoloist Rack, ARP Prosoloist, Mellotron 4000D, Yamaha CP70B, Yamaha A4000, EMU Proteus Custom
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