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Bogtrumpet
Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Posts: 14 Location: Durham UK
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject: Irish Bodhran - It's gone electric - WD adaptation |
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To redress my rather naff earlier posting:-
http://youtu.be/VpQJHVkXLKA
I'm not a bodhran player so go easy... (It is me playing the flute in this clip though).
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WaveDrummer Full Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2011 Posts: 217 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hey that's pretty clever!
Are you switching programs during that? I thought I heard a few different ones in there. Not sure what the first one was but then it sounded like #53 Ethno Opera for a bit (I'm working on memory here because I don't a Wavedrum in front of me at the moment) and then the tabla program at the end.
Fun stuff!
Btw, you should post this again in the "Share our playing" thread. |
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freestok Junior Member
Joined: 22 Jul 2011 Posts: 68
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Very nice !!
i love it !
what the stick are there ?, i want to know what you use
what the preset ?, what the strange stick ?
Thank for share |
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Bogtrumpet
Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Posts: 14 Location: Durham UK
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:13 am Post subject: Irish Bodhran - It's gone electric - WD adaptation |
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There are two main ways of playing the bodhran, (pro. Boron) The way I demonstrate here is using a two ended "Tipper" or "Beater" - That's what the Irish call them. The modern "Whizz Kids" just use a single stick, holding from one end and make some remarkable acoustic sounds ( My good friend John Joe Kelly (Jonjo) is probably the best modern exponent of the bodhran proper http://youtu.be/3ChbigufBC8).
I use this method when I play acoustically. For the Wavedrum, just having a smallish head, I use a double ended beater - they are available commercially but are very variable - easy to turn if you know any wood turners.
The video i did has four presets, audio edited into one video take - I just selected them at random. With a bit of thought, editing presets etc, this method could be useful to a serious player (Though JJK appears to get enough variation in an acoustic bodhran)
I think the clever bit (as I've devised it), is the way of adjusting the pressure sensor in the head without having to press the head.
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WaterDrum Senior Member
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 340 Location: 3rd Stone from the Sun , Bavaria
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: |
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thank you very much for these videos ,
that was so impressive.
I ll get me a beater like this ,soon .
seems the sound is influenced by pressure from the bottom of the drum
to imitate this on a WD
you need to mount a pressure sensitive Ohm resistor
to the bottom side of the WD , (or wherever you want...)
lead a cable to inside the WD and
connect it in parallel to the pressure sensor.(crocodile clip or solder)
when you press the outside sensor ,
with a little bit of experimenting ,finetuning and practising ,
you might get a really good result.
(sorry offtopic ,but I could not resist ) |
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Prime NL
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 15 Location: E-Troid, Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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I like to video alot....
Tx for sharing...! |
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Bogtrumpet
Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Posts: 14 Location: Durham UK
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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WaterDrum wrote: | thank you very much for these videos ,
sound is influenced by pressure from the bottom of the drum
to imitate this on a WD
you need to mount a pressure sensitive Ohm resistor
to the bottom side of the WD , (or wherever you want...)
lead a cable to inside the WD and
connect it in parallel to the pressure sensor.(crocodile clip or solder)
when you press the outside sensor ,
with a little bit of experimenting ,finetuning and practising ,
you might get a really good result.
(sorry offtopic ,but I could not resist ) |
That's a rather a long winded way of going about what I acheived using 150mm of 2mm fishing line and a 12mm nylon washer (and a 2.2mm hole)
http://www.box.com/s/86a7d2bd321a3b7562bf is the sound file of the WD track only, you can easily hear the influence i can exert on the pressure detector from the rear of the WD (sorry for my poor bodhran playing, I will improve in time!)
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WaterDrum Senior Member
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 340 Location: 3rd Stone from the Sun , Bavaria
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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a mechanical solution , thats heavy
good tone variations in the mp3
extrafat respectz
thats so great
never thought of something like that ,
and soo simple , cheap , fast + removable .
no evidence , the KBI will never detect this 2.2 mm hole...
picture ? |
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Gizmo1300
Joined: 19 Aug 2011 Posts: 32 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:08 am Post subject: technique |
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This is great
I just got back from a folk festival and was wondering myself how I could modify the WD.
Just one question on the technique. On the real drum you push for mute and release for full bass. If you have used fishing line through the WD are you pulling to get bass or pulling to get mute?
An image of the location of the mods would be great
thanks _________________ Gizmo
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Bogtrumpet
Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Posts: 14 Location: Durham UK
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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WaterDrum wrote: | a mechanical solution , thats heavy
good tone variations in the mp3extrafat respectz
thats so great
picture ? |
Pics as requested, It took me 15 mins to do modification, that includes 5 mins to collect my drill from the garage. The nylon line and washer may be slightly larger that I originally claimed (I was guessing)
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Very cool. |
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freestok Junior Member
Joined: 22 Jul 2011 Posts: 68
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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amazing !
OK !!! now i understand this mécanical system, very ingenious, simple and quick modification
thank you for this tip and trick, very usefull |
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WaterDrum Senior Member
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 340 Location: 3rd Stone from the Sun , Bavaria
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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thank you for the pictures
now I understand , that you have glued the washer
on top of the transparent "shield"
in your youtube comment I read , that it hurts ,
but a leather strap/sling attached to the fishing line
and going around your hand would certainly make life easier...
the effect comes when you press...
(btw ,whats that reddish colour on the end of the line in pic 3? )
I could imagine that for WD players with a snare stand ,
an extension down to the floor with a sling for the big toe
could allow double handed rolls with effects at the same time.
(not kidding)
your name for this is "FLID (Funny little Irish Drum)" ?
may I suggest a more respectful name ?
The "WaveDrahn" |
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Bogtrumpet
Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Posts: 14 Location: Durham UK
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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It would be possible to extend the legth of the nylon line to reach your foot if you wanted to operate it in that way on a stand. You'd need to have good foot control!
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Gizmo1300
Joined: 19 Aug 2011 Posts: 32 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: foot control |
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Oh Yehhhhhh
I was wondering if it was worth the mod for the few times I would "go Irish" and play this....but the foot control now there is a simple and brilliant idea.
I am going to make or use a pedal so that I have more control
Thanks all _________________ Gizmo
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