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qayqaywsx
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 Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: Virtual Pads : note off bug ! (?) |
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Hi, I#m K61 owner and i found out that there are some issues with the virtual pads:
Example for note cuts (very easy to reproduce)
1 Go to combi mode
2 Choose I-A 113 Bass & Wurly Split(Ep1)
3 EQ/Vector/Control -> choose Pads
4 Play and hold 1st Pad on low velocity via touch display
5 Play F5 on Keyboard manually (hold ) ..
6 .. and directly release you finger from touch screens Pad
Voila F5 will be cut !
This bug seems to happen on every program with every note 'inside' the pads chord.
Better to hear in
Prog mode: Program Int-A 043 Ex Church with 'D5'
If anyone knows a solution or can handle this over to korg .
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Lou
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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I just tried it with IA-043, seems to be working fine here. I tried a few other combis and Programs. No cut-off of key held.. ?
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steinkaf
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Virtual Pads : note off bug ! (?) |
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| qayqaywsx wrote: |
This bug seems to happen on every program with every note 'inside' the pads chord.
Better to hear in
Prog mode: Program Int-A 043 Ex Church with 'D5'
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also here, only if you play the pad first. if you play the keyboard first i can play the pad some times and the note will not cutoff.
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BasariStudios
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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QayQay, the Sound you are using might be MonoPhonic thats why you get that...
I dont know, i didnt check but make sure its not a MonoPhonic Sound.
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Lou
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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No cut offs here..
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steinkaf
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| BasariStudios wrote: | QayQay, the Sound you are using might be MonoPhonic thats why you get that...
I dont know, i didnt check but make sure its not a MonoPhonic Sound. |
sorry in Combi A-113 Bass & Wurli Split (EP1) the right side Wurly is not MonoPhonic.
there is one more on my keyboard.
if i play the same note´s from the 1. pad in a cord like F5,D5 and A4 on the key´s, all of them cuts of. but not really the same. if the velocity of the pads is play higher then i have a rest volume was sound from the keys, but if i play lower velocity an pads then the keys sound are cut to totally silence.
please check this out.
thank´s
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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This Combi uses the EP-1 on the right side of the split. As with actual electric pianos, re-striking notes allows the previous note to continue to sound, but at a slightly reduced level. The actual interaction will depend upon the respective velocities of the old and new notes. Note also that the notes decay from full volume fairly rapidly, although the final release is long. I've spent some time testing this Combi, soloing timbres and changing the chord pads to play only a single note, and confirmed that everything is working properly.
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michelkeijzers
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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I tried but couldn't reproduce it neither.
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steinkaf
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| danatkorg wrote: | | This Combi uses the EP-1 on the right side of the split. As with actual electric pianos, re-striking notes allows the previous note to continue to sound, but at a slightly reduced level. The actual interaction will depend upon the respective velocities of the old and new notes. Note also that the notes decay from full volume fairly rapidly, although the final release is long. I've spent some time testing this Combi, soloing timbres and changing the chord pads to play only a single note, and confirmed that everything is working properly. |
Thank you Dan,
i have also make some test with Programs and not Combis i also testet with a 2nd keyboard over midi-in and all the same result.
Here my Question if i have understand right.
is it right, when you play the the first time a note with velocity of 70 and hold it ( it´s not impotent where you play the note, Pad or Intern Key´s ore ext Key´s) and then you play the same note on a other input, with a velocity of 125 and hold the you release the first played key the velocity drops down to 70, like if you have played the 2nd with 70 ?
i have tested with all 9 engine and all the same. with the Prog A085 you can hear were lo velocity make´s a damper sound but higher a sharper sound. also good for test the cx3 where it cut complete.
thank´s
Roman
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qayqaywsx
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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The tests that Steinkaf made are exactly what i meant. CX3 completely cuts off the notes while 'double playing' the sam note.
i will record an example,in the combi mode where you'll hear the problem.
www.jostkleigrewe.net/ia113comb_note_cutoff_pad.ogg
this is 4 times more or less the same phrase.
1,2 and 4 are cut off 3 is like it should be. (i changed the timing a s you can hear to NOT cut of the tone)
any recommanditions ?
same for CX3 Organ hear this
www.jostkleigrewe.net/cx3_cut.ogg
first is D4 and the pad 1 of Prog UserC 011 DirtyFunk
in the tird snip you hear Pad then d4 second trigger by keyboard (you hear the click) and then no d4 wich is held on Keyboard.
On CX3 all tones have the same velocity level maybe that why it cuts completely .
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Lou
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File won't open?
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| steinkaf wrote: |
i have also make some test with Programs and not Combis i also testet with a 2nd keyboard over midi-in and all the same result. |
Good, I would expect this to be the same.
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is it right, when you play the the first time a note with velocity of 70 and hold it ( it´s not impotent where you play the note, Pad or Intern Key´s ore ext Key´s) and then you play the same note on a other input, with a velocity of 125 and hold the you release the first played key the velocity drops down to 70, like if you have played the 2nd with 70 ? |
Different engines will perform differently. As noted above, the EP-1 and SGX-1 reduce the volumes of previously sounding notes to model the behaviors of those specific keyboard instruments. The other engines do not do this.
| steinkaf wrote: | | also good for test the cx3 where it cut complete. |
Yup, that's as designed. The CX-3 plays only one voice per note (in other words, it's always in "Single Trigger" mode).
Note that the voice allocation settings will also affect this behavior, for those models which support them - in particular, the Poly/Mono and Single Trigger parameters.
- Dan
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danatkorg
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| qayqaywsx wrote: | | CX3 completely cuts off the notes while 'double playing' the sam note. |
Yes, this is as designed.
- Dan
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qayqaywsx
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Dan thanks for the answers.
Not what I expected but ok if things are designed like that i have to find ways around it |
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| qayqaywsx wrote: | Dan thanks for the answers.
Not what I expected but ok if things are designed like that i have to find ways around it |
Is there a specific thing that you're trying to do, which this is preventing? Perhaps I can suggest an alternative approach.
- Dan
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