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michelkeijzers · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:28 pm Post subject: SST or 2 keyboards?

Now SST is available on the Kronos, I have thought about using 1 keyboard and change all the combis (1 or 2 per song) using 2 keyboards to combis using 1 keyboard.

However, we have quite some songs where in the chorus I play piano (2 hands using 5 octaves) and in the verse both piano/organ or vice versa.

So if I would need to program a song that has 3 choruses and verses I would need about 6 combis, one for each 'change', since there is no possibility to go up/down (except when using keys, not by using 2 foot switches by CC messages).

Is here anyone who recognizes this problem (and has a solution)?

I know there is a MIDI pedal device that can go up or down but I don't want another MIDI device on the ground (since I already use a Behringer).
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BillW · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject:

I have songs that use as many as 12 combis...some of them repeat. What's wrong with just putting them in order and walking through them? Why would you need to go backwards? There is plenty of combi real estate in the Kronos.
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PinkFloydDudi · Guest

1) Use the touchscreen? I've found in most songs I play I can find a half a second to press the next patch when needed.

2) Does your behringer allow for the up/down functionality?

3) What BillW said...yes you may need 6 slots for 1 song, but there are TONS of slots...use em!

jeebustrain · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject:

Jordan Rudess does exactly this and has done it for a long time (single keyboard). He puts all of his Combis (yes, a lot repeat) in order for each song, and then steps through each of them with a pedal that does a Program Change +.

He did this with Combis on the Oasys (and Setups on the Kurzweil boards before that) and did fine, even without SST. Now with SST and the Set List feature (ability to combine programs, combis, and sequences, all with the ability to set up performance notes on top), there's really no reason not to do it.
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michelkeijzers · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject:

Jon Lord · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:08 pm Post subject:

What about "Data dec/inc" CC96 & 97 (see Param Guide page 1103)? But I guess this only works if you have a sound "focused/selected" on setlist to be able to up and down with that Confused

I guess the problem why it's not implemented is that the current Midi standard sucks... to say it mildly... 127 CC "channels" is not enough. But IMO this is a important feature to implement, some other CC message needs to be sacrified
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JPWC · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:10 pm Post subject:

Please hold on to your hat....................

Change the song arrangement to meet the needs of your live perfomance.

I've been in many bands, where the simple rule was, if we can not perform it live, it doesn't count.

Write songs to give yourself time to perform them, and remember program changes, pushing buttons and goofing around with other various controls is part of the live performance.

Of course this is easy for me to say, I am not the one with the issue Shocked

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michelkeijzers · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject:

michelkeijzers · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject:

Jon Lord · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject:

michelkeijzers · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject:

Dniss · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject:

I agree with everyone here.

After giving this issue (up/down) much thoughts, it's easier to go forward in the setlist (and repeating the same combis) then figuring out on the fly if you have to press up or down. One less thing to worry about, one less switch to press.

Not only that, what if after going down one slot, the next sound you need isn't the one you just used before pressing down switch?

Just my 2 cents.

You could check the Midi Mouse that appears to do the up/down job pretty well.

michelkeijzers · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:16 pm Post subject:

Bertotti · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:33 pm Post subject:

I would liek to ask a simple question that is driving me nuts! What is sst? I'm not kidding I don't know! Shocked

michelkeijzers · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: