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[Mystic38]

this is certainly disappointing..and would indicate a problem in the raw sample.

Funnily enough, there is a similar problem in the s90xs with the s6 sample on d2 where there is a strongly overemphasized buzz.. Ruins all the s6 based patches for me... Although never acknowledged as an issue, coincidentally the "same" sample set on the motif xf has been reworked into a decent sounding piano

Be interesting to see the opinions of other piano players on this topic

[GiantSonicRobot]

[Akos Janca]

I think there is nothing wrong with Ricky's opinion. He doesn't like Kronos and clearly explained why. What I think (and I suppose Korg also thinks) that much more people will like the Kronos than who don't.

All these opinions - positive or negative - are subjective and don't help much to other people.

Thanks, Ricky.
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[MartinHines]

[donjuancarlos]

I get parts of Ricky's post-- Korg boards definitely have a "Korg" character to them which can be polarizing. And Yamaha does have a character to many of their sounds that I prefer to Korg.

The argument that you can do more with a computer attached to a keyboard than a workstation alone is just silly. Until workstations come with mice and QWERTY keyboards, that will always be the case.

The digital stepping? I don't see how that's going to happen with a 4GB sample. I seriously doubt Korg did any time compressing or looping--what would be the point? For starters, it would mean way more work. Could it be the character of the recorded piano? I know when I hold a low note on a piano, the decay isn't perfectly smooth because of box resonance. I wonder if that's what Ricky heard.

[Kontrol49]

Can't see why everyone gets so defensive over somebody having a dislike to the Kronos.!

Its an individual choice,whether someone prefers a sample set or a workstation piano... Most haven't laid their hands on the machine yet so make your own mind up when you do....

You can't make a device that suits one and all!!!and with the Amount of units Korg are going to sell as opposed to the Oasys,I guess there will be more plus points posted about Kronos than negative ones.

Save your judgement for when it arrives and enjoy it for what it does best and what inspired you to want it in the first place...

Don't have reservations on one person not warming to it,you can't make everyone like something!Ricky's view is a personal choice,I don't think it was aimed at starting a flame war or bring the Kronos down,some just get down right defensive on the first negative vibe...
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[jimknopf]

Just to get it straight:
I see nothing wrong in Rick commenting either, nor do I see any problem in opposing his views from my own playing experience with the Kronos.I don't see anything "offensive" nor "defensive" in making up one's own mind and discussing things from various views.

The only thing I find a bit useless are generalising comments based on nothing concrete, like some of the Gearslutz talk.

[Kevin Nolan]

It will be impossible to please everyone with something as personal as a piano sound, whether acoustic or electric.

The original poster (Ricky?) is a piano player and I'm a bit surprised he was looking for more in such a short examination in a less than ideal situation. To get a true sense of a digital piano you'd have to set it up in a proper environment, ergonomically, acoustically and in other balanced ways; play for a while to become accustomed to the action, sounds, choices, adjustable parameters and so on.

Furthermore - this is a stage piano - not a Yamaha Clavinova (designed specifically for classical playing) - the Kronos is not really set up for classical playing (I continue to struggle to get my OASYS to respond to playing, for example, a Beethoven Sonata or Debussy Prelude) - it never feels quite right. But - for improvising, composing, and even composing in a classical vein, I find the OASYS more than sufficient because I'm not looking for a 'Debussy Sound', I'm looking for a relative/emotive response and it delivers it admirably.

So I think one has to be realistic about what one expects from such a feature in a Workstation. That said, most reviews of the Kronos pianos - including from the SOS review, are incredibly favorable and in general we can expect this to be a quantum leap beyond other workstation pianos and comparable with dedicate stage pianos like the Yamaha CP 1 and Korg SV1.

After that, it's a matter of getting used to the quirks that are inevitably there. For live work from Jazz to Rock I'm sure the Kronos will deliver very well and after that we're splitting hairs frankly.

And by the way, there has not been an actual acoustic piano I've ever sat at that did not have some issue or other. But you learn to live with them and they become 'features'.

Overall, I believe the Kronos pianos will be incredibly strong and a significant addition to the arsenal of any keyboard player.

Kevin.
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[Kontrol49]

[AnthonyB]

[ozy]

Kevin is right under one important point of view - when he says "I can't play Debussy on a Oasys, but it's piano is good". "It's not right for Debussy, but it sounds good".

No matter how people [and synth producers] try to twist it,

truth is: synthesizer is a new instrument.

That's been true for 40 years now (since synthesists became a community, got a role, gopt their own music, weren't anymore just isolated experimentalists).

Still, people listen to a synth and ask: "will it fool people into believing it's not a synth"?

No matter how many pianos and organs you put into it, those pianos have to played as synth-pianos, organs are to be played as synth-organs, brass is to be played as synth brass even if it's modeled down to the last growl and spit and fall and glissando.

The whole "I use a synth because a real piano is too heavy or expensive" mantra is a load of BS.

People who buy a synth because they can't afford a piano are sad, IMHO. And they will always be sad. They should rent a piano.

A synth is an instrument. It may include EP, piano, wind and hammond patches, but it has his own way of living.

Think [on a very basic level] of the marvelous idea of playing organs on a weighted and velocity&aftertouch-sensitive keyboard: that's synthesis, not hammond-playing.

Whoever strives for a synthesizer whose piano is so good that "you don't feel like it's a synth"... is missing the point.

So: is a computer program a BETTER INSTRUMENT than a synth (e.g. a Kronos)? Yes? No?

Really? Why? Because it fools more people? Is that the point?

That's the point.

I use synths for woodwind modeled sounds, but that's SYNTH modeled sounds. I won't ever compare them to a real sax or oboe.

They are good on their own.

Is a kronos rhodes better than a m3 rhodes? YES it is.

is it better BECAUSE it better FOOLS people into believing it's a real rhodes? No. Or, better: who the heck cares? Maybe some studio engineer who is billing customers for real rhodes and hammonds and needs to keep costs down using a kronos. Not me.

Kronos is better than m3 because it's rich in its own way, while the m3's rhodes was POOR no matter how similar it was to the original.

SO, IF SOMEBODY SAYS AN INSTRUMENT "SOUNDS BETTER" THAN ANOTHER, he can be right even if the former instrument has HALF or 1/10th the RAM or samples than the latter.

I heard yamaha's arrangers choirs: they're perfect. and they're UGLY.

That's not synthesis. That's TV. Photo. Whatever. Not synthesis.

[MidnightPackage]

I certainly respect Ricky's opinion and the time he took to share it. I also realize that appreciation for any musical instrument is a matter of subjective personal taste, and that one opinion will vary from the next. However, I really don't think that a stepping decay is a matter of subjective opinion. It's either there in the signal, or it isn't. I am really hoping that Ricky just has an overactive imagination
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