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quicksilverp3 · Junior Member Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 62

So before deciding on an M3. I read the whole manual to see if there is a simple programmable arpeggiator.

I then looked around the forums and saw that it would come in the next update...

That's terrible...

EJ2 · Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject:

Who told you that? The entire KARMA system, which incidentally is eons beyond any multiple arpeggiators on steroids, is programmable. I realise KARMA 2 technology could be something alien to you, but I would suggest reading up on KARMA GEs and how to program/edit the multitude of parameters.

There are simple arp GEs that can be modified in realtime using the KARMA Switches and Scenes, sliders, etc. However, you can get in behind the scenes into the various Module layers to modify how you wish to have these simple arp patterns play and respond to the Karma Real Time controls.

There is nothing on the market, neither from the other big music manufacturers (Yamaha, Roland, Access, Kurzweil, Waldorf, etc), nor the software companies that can even come close to KARMA.
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quicksilverp3 · Junior Member Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 62

Ok... I'll read up on that. I just don't wanna have to do some insane programming that would literally take only like 2 minutes on all other Korg gear.

sani · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:00 am Post subject:

Just to clarify things up:
Right know you are not able to take a musical phrase and use it as an arpeggio or phrase which can be used and modulated by karma.
I hope I'm correct with this statement.

vectorsynth · Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 38 Location: Germany

Mhhhm, today I wanted to try out some things with Karma.
Just returned to my pc and now I see that I spent around 5 hours in front of the keyboard.
Seems that I forgot time and things around me Wink

I'm new to synths, but believe me, when you're a bit familiar how to use Karma,
you won't need an standard arpeggiator anymore, never ever.

Chechkout Stephens Videos: http://www.karma-lab.com/vp/klvp2.html?playID=40 and his webpage !
And the manual part of using Karma, and just have a look at all the Karma GE's in Voice Name List.

quicksilverp3 · Junior Member Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 62

Well... the songs that I cover sometimes use standard arpeggiators that I have to program myself.

I'm not sure if I'll find that exact one in Karma... such as the unique Trigger arpeggiator that all other Korg workstations (and synths) have.

Simple arpeggiators that's all.

I'm using it solely for live... so I don't really need dynamic arpeggiators at all.... maybe if I was playing by myself at home...

EJ2 · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject:

Hi Quick,
Check your VNL manual (voice name list) PDF. Make sure that you have the Bookmarks reference menu at the left open. Go down to KARMA GE bookmark, hit the + to expand, then click on Category: Arpeggio. Here you can read the information on GE #s 0 to 158. Looks like they're on pages 112 to the beginnng of 114.

Next, you can take any synth program that you like and start auditioning what each of these Arp GEs does. From there, you can select the one(s) that fit your bill. That should get you started for now.

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QuiRobinez · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject:

thee are a lot of arpeggiator patterns through KARMA, but i still believe the topic starter made a good point.

The m3 is now for quite some time on the market, and still there is no possibility to fill the user GE's with your own patterns. In the beginning there was some rumour that we could transfer Easy patterns from the sequencer to the user GE's.
Even the M3 software which will be released by Stephen when it's ready, isn't capable to transfer the patterns you created to the user ge's in the M3 itself due to the M3 firmware currently available.

If you look other synths in the same price range like the Motif XS or the Virus TI, they all have programmable arp's.

rfoshaug · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:14 am Post subject:

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rfoshaug · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject:

Yes, such a feature has been talked about. Stephen Kay suggested that it could be done via the sequencer, ie. you record some notes into a sequencer track and then convert that data into a user GE, which would greatly enhance the KARMA feature on the M3 for me and a lot of other users as well.

But the final decision is up to Korg, and I haven't heard any Korg people promising this update, so I'm not holding my breath. If it comes, it'll be a big improvement to the M3 concept, if not - the M3 is still a great synth workstation.

I think it's a shame that such a feature is missing from such a good workstation. I mean, the KARMA function is extremely versatile and powerful and it's a good thing that it has been included in the M3. But the functionality and programmability of the old Triton's arpeggiators should have been in there as well.

Synthoid · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject:

kimu · Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:53 am Post subject:

i think that above all the very first post it's true: M3 HAVEN'T a programmable arpeggiator as one you find on synth as Virus, Waldorf, Roland V-synth or other workstation.

Karma2 is extremly versatile and full of patterns ready to use, but si not a simply programmable arp...

and sometimes this sounds as a great great omission.

georgeinar · Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:19 am Post subject:

Well, I'm using arps more and more on my TS and have started looking into how to create my own, because it gives me such complete control over how exactly each note will be played, for how long and with what velocity. If I get the M3, I will probalby need to keep the TS handy for the arp feature as well as the 2 audio tracks I will still need.
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Westnik · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject:

I am also suffering from lack of simple arpeggiator, especially for base lines.

If I even found quite good base arpeggio in Karma, I can not change tempo of arpeggio - from 1/8 step to 1/8t or 1/16.

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