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 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Question about arranger keyboards |
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It seems that arranger keyboards are very popular in countries other than the USA. I have seen several posts about them on various forums, including models I have never even heard of.
Why are arrangers so popular outside of the USA? Other than the Yamaha PSR series, I have only seen 2 or 3 real arranger keyboards in pro music stores over the years.
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Kerzwhile
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Question about arranger keyboards |
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| Synthoid wrote: | It seems that arranger keyboards are very popular in countries other than the USA. I have seen several posts about them on various forums, including models I have never even heard of.
Why are arrangers so popular outside of the USA? Other than the Yamaha PSR series, I have only seen 2 or 3 real arranger keyboards in pro music stores over the years.
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Probably because people outside the US are not as talented as us Americans therefore need some help via an arranger!!  BTW, J/K I have noticed that the Italians make the BEST arrangers and styles!! I wonder why that is!! Very interesting question you bring up!!! 
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Sharp
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Arranger keyboards are huge here in Europe and off the top of my head I can think of two very good reasons why.
1: Compared to the starting price of a Workstation, you could easily purchase a few arranger keyboards  I know when you go up in the models to the pro end they balance out, but with such low prices for the less advanced models, it's no wonder why everyone starts out on an arranger keyboard first.
2: There is just more work out there for 1 and 2 man acts than full bands. Arranger keyboards are also dead handy when calling singers and so on.
My 2 Cents.
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| In the UK there seems to be a greater appreciation for live solo music performance at home and for communities such as retirement homes. Being able to do big band classics with a high end arranger is very nostalgic, particularly since the Yamaha PSR-S700/S900 and Tyros 2 can do such high quality brass and band sections. Modern arrangers can easily replace the huge Hammond/Wurlitzer organs from the golden era of Blackpool dance halls and the like. At least, that's my impression from observing the Yamaha arranger forums. |
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I think that it's due to the fact that Italian music is a little more complex than US...  our one man band need a chord progression, a few instruments and some fill in, in the US all you need is an arpeggiator to trigger the drum beat and some "Yo Gangsta Mother F****" audio samples to be played by the upper octave
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Lorenzo wrote: | | I think that it's due to the fact that Italian music is a little more complex than US... our one man band need a chord progression, a few instruments and some fill in, in the US all you need is an arpeggiator to trigger the drum beat and some "Yo Gangsta Mother F****" audio samples to be played by the upper octave |
WHAAA Thats a Great responce Lorenzo!! LMAO True too!! 
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Diego
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Lorenzo always find the right (few) words to catch the point... 
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Thanks for all the replies.
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many reasons why:
Roland's arrangers are made in Italy...
not only arranger keyboards are popular in europe, but Workstations and all the other keyboards.
US and Britain, are the countries that only like guitars (and drums).
Poka/Waltz are very popular in Europe. Arranger keyboards have lots of polka styles.
I used to "play" arrangers alot. But than i wanted to make my own music, instead of just using preset styles.
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Americans also tend to be more self-conscience about appearances. For years I looked down on those who dominantly used arrangers till I found myself hours from a show with two or three synths, no time to do sequences, and having to take pre-recorded files onto stage with me, which totally flopped.
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Well, one of the reasons for arrangers in my country is economic. Why would you hire a band of 7 people when you can call just three, and believe me, sometimes they sound better than a whole band.
I'm not saying that we should all use arranger keyboards, but music is business now.
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| nikola81 wrote: | | Well, one of the reasons for arrangers in my country is economic. Why would you hire a band of 7 people when you can call just three, |
I wasn't asking about that.... I meant why buy an arranger keyboard over, say, an M3, Motif or Fantom?
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| Quote: | | I meant why buy an arranger keyboard over, say, an M3, Motif or Fantom? |
Arranger lets you change your music while playing. Let's say, you play some song and while playing you decide to play some solo little bit longer than it originally is. On arranger, it's the question of for how many bars are you going to sustain certain phrase. On workstation, which allows you to play prerecorded sequences (arppegios aren't suitable for eastern music in any way), you can't do that. What you recorded, that's what you have to play. If some song has some 16 bars long solo, you have to play that solo for exactly 16 bars on workstation, because you recorded something else after that solo, like chorus for example. On arranger you'll just continue to play in certain variation for 4, 6 or 8 bars, then hit some fill in and go to variation dedicated to chorus. |
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